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Attributes | |
ACN | 652807 |
Time | |
Date | 200503 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : den.airport |
State Reference | CO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 35000 msl bound upper : 39000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Weather Elements | Turbulence |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet 700 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zdv.artcc |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 7200 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 652807 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 2530 flight time type : 530 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met conflict : airborne critical inflight encounter : turbulence inflight encounter other non adherence : clearance other anomaly other anomaly |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas aircraft equipment other aircraft equipment : altimeter other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : separated traffic flight crew : regained aircraft control flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action flight crew : exited adverse environment other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Airspace Structure Environmental Factor Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Environmental Factor |
Narrative:
I was the PF on a flight from den-aus. While at approximately FL350; ATC requested a climb to FL390 in 3 1/2 mins. We accepted the clearance. At FL380; we encountered a strong mountain wave and moderate turbulence. At FL387; our climb rate was zero. ATC asked if we were level at FL390; and we advised ATC that we were not; and requested a lower altitude. We immediately advised ATC of the situation. ATC denied the request and demanded us to be level at FL390 in 15-20 seconds. After leveling at FL390; airspeed started to decrease rapidly due to the strong mountain wave and the turbulence. To maintain a safe airspeed; we had to deviate from FL390 and lose altitude. We made every effort to keep ZDV informed of our flight conditions and promptly requested amended clearance in the interest of safety. We received a clearance to FL370 shortly after. We did continue to experience light to moderate turbulence all the way to aus. I feel the causes of this event were ATC issuing a steep climb gradient; as well as me accepting the clearance. Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: the reporter quite properly assumed responsibility for accepting the clearance. He stated that they did; in fact; consult the aircraft performance pages to ensure that FL390 was viable. It was the time constraint which proved to be the problem. Due to the oncoming traffic at FL380; it was imperative that FL390 be achieved in a timely fashion. To do so; the aircraft was forced to climb at the expense of airspeed and when finally at FL390; they were unable to sustain the altitude due to insufficient thrust to accelerate or even avoid continued airspeed deterioration. Reporter stated he was less proactive than he should have been when he continued to 'request' lower altitudes rather than declaring an emergency and doing what was necessary to regain control of the aircraft. Supplemental information from acn 652471: after beginning the climb; the captain increased the rate of climb by reducing speed from normal climb (.74 mach). At this point; our TCASII gave an RA for the crossing traffic at FL380. After passing the conflicting traffic; ATC issued a new altitude of FL370 and we descended normally.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF CARJ ACCEPT EXPEDITED CLRNC FROM FL350 TO FL390 IN DRVSM AIRSPACE. DUE TO MOUNTAIN WAVE AND TURB; THEY STOP CLBING BTWN FL380 AND FL390. FORCED CLB TO AVOID FL380 TFC RESULTS IN AIRSPD LOSS AND NEED TO DSND IN ORDER TO AVOID STALL.
Narrative: I WAS THE PF ON A FLT FROM DEN-AUS. WHILE AT APPROX FL350; ATC REQUESTED A CLB TO FL390 IN 3 1/2 MINS. WE ACCEPTED THE CLRNC. AT FL380; WE ENCOUNTERED A STRONG MOUNTAIN WAVE AND MODERATE TURB. AT FL387; OUR CLB RATE WAS ZERO. ATC ASKED IF WE WERE LEVEL AT FL390; AND WE ADVISED ATC THAT WE WERE NOT; AND REQUESTED A LOWER ALT. WE IMMEDIATELY ADVISED ATC OF THE SIT. ATC DENIED THE REQUEST AND DEMANDED US TO BE LEVEL AT FL390 IN 15-20 SECONDS. AFTER LEVELING AT FL390; AIRSPD STARTED TO DECREASE RAPIDLY DUE TO THE STRONG MOUNTAIN WAVE AND THE TURB. TO MAINTAIN A SAFE AIRSPD; WE HAD TO DEVIATE FROM FL390 AND LOSE ALT. WE MADE EVERY EFFORT TO KEEP ZDV INFORMED OF OUR FLT CONDITIONS AND PROMPTLY REQUESTED AMENDED CLRNC IN THE INTEREST OF SAFETY. WE RECEIVED A CLRNC TO FL370 SHORTLY AFTER. WE DID CONTINUE TO EXPERIENCE LIGHT TO MODERATE TURB ALL THE WAY TO AUS. I FEEL THE CAUSES OF THIS EVENT WERE ATC ISSUING A STEEP CLB GRADIENT; AS WELL AS ME ACCEPTING THE CLRNC. CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: THE RPTR QUITE PROPERLY ASSUMED RESPONSIBILITY FOR ACCEPTING THE CLRNC. HE STATED THAT THEY DID; IN FACT; CONSULT THE ACFT PERFORMANCE PAGES TO ENSURE THAT FL390 WAS VIABLE. IT WAS THE TIME CONSTRAINT WHICH PROVED TO BE THE PROB. DUE TO THE ONCOMING TFC AT FL380; IT WAS IMPERATIVE THAT FL390 BE ACHIEVED IN A TIMELY FASHION. TO DO SO; THE ACFT WAS FORCED TO CLB AT THE EXPENSE OF AIRSPD AND WHEN FINALLY AT FL390; THEY WERE UNABLE TO SUSTAIN THE ALT DUE TO INSUFFICIENT THRUST TO ACCELERATE OR EVEN AVOID CONTINUED AIRSPD DETERIORATION. RPTR STATED HE WAS LESS PROACTIVE THAN HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN WHEN HE CONTINUED TO 'REQUEST' LOWER ALTS RATHER THAN DECLARING AN EMER AND DOING WHAT WAS NECESSARY TO REGAIN CTL OF THE ACFT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 652471: AFTER BEGINNING THE CLB; THE CAPT INCREASED THE RATE OF CLB BY REDUCING SPD FROM NORMAL CLB (.74 MACH). AT THIS POINT; OUR TCASII GAVE AN RA FOR THE XING TFC AT FL380. AFTER PASSING THE CONFLICTING TFC; ATC ISSUED A NEW ALT OF FL370 AND WE DSNDED NORMALLY.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.