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Attributes | |
ACN | 658477 |
Time | |
Date | 200505 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : roc.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl single value : 100 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : roc.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 658477 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : company policies non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other other : 4 |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Company Aircraft FAA |
Primary Problem | Company |
Narrative:
Prior to push back; clearance delivery issued a slot time of xa:15Z for sequencing to ord. We taxied to runway 22 and held short. ATC cleared us for takeoff runway 22. We had not received our final weight and so informed ATC. ATC then issued hold short. Then ATC issued a new slot-time to ord of xa:30Z. At xa:16Z; we received final weights and waited for our slot time. Approximately 12 minutes later; we were released to ord. Shortly after gear retraction; SELCAL chime sounded in the cockpit and the first officer silenced the chime. After 18000 ft; first officer retrieved SELCAL and informed me of that our original weight manifest from load planning was wrong and the SELCAL chime had been revised weight manifest from central load planning. The original weight manifest showed ZFW 101645 tog 118345; mac 23.0; trim 4.2; and passenger 128 crew 2/3. The revised manifest showed the takeoff gross weight point being 600 pounds heavier. While this did not present a great difference this time; had it been a larger error; this could have negatively impacted the safety of the flight. More concerning to me is being selcaled during a critical phase of flight and the time and fuel used because weights are not received in a timely manner. Dispatch had monitored our exchange with central load planning and advised us that reporting this incident would be useful in drawing attention to this. I fully agree with dispatch that central load planning has issues in this area.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AFTER LENGTHY DEP DELAYS AWAITING FINAL WT MANIFEST; A B737 DEPARTS AND LATER RECEIVES A MESSAGE FROM LOAD PLANNING REVISING THEIR 'FINAL' WTS AGAIN; WELL AFTER TKOF.
Narrative: PRIOR TO PUSH BACK; CLRNC DELIVERY ISSUED A SLOT TIME OF XA:15Z FOR SEQUENCING TO ORD. WE TAXIED TO RWY 22 AND HELD SHORT. ATC CLRED US FOR TKOF RWY 22. WE HAD NOT RECEIVED OUR FINAL WT AND SO INFORMED ATC. ATC THEN ISSUED HOLD SHORT. THEN ATC ISSUED A NEW SLOT-TIME TO ORD OF XA:30Z. AT XA:16Z; WE RECEIVED FINAL WTS AND WAITED FOR OUR SLOT TIME. APPROX 12 MINUTES LATER; WE WERE RELEASED TO ORD. SHORTLY AFTER GEAR RETRACTION; SELCAL CHIME SOUNDED IN THE COCKPIT AND THE FO SILENCED THE CHIME. AFTER 18000 FT; FO RETRIEVED SELCAL AND INFORMED ME OF THAT OUR ORIGINAL WT MANIFEST FROM LOAD PLANNING WAS WRONG AND THE SELCAL CHIME HAD BEEN REVISED WT MANIFEST FROM CENTRAL LOAD PLANNING. THE ORIGINAL WT MANIFEST SHOWED ZFW 101645 TOG 118345; MAC 23.0; TRIM 4.2; AND PAX 128 CREW 2/3. THE REVISED MANIFEST SHOWED THE TKOF GROSS WT POINT BEING 600 LBS HEAVIER. WHILE THIS DID NOT PRESENT A GREAT DIFFERENCE THIS TIME; HAD IT BEEN A LARGER ERROR; THIS COULD HAVE NEGATIVELY IMPACTED THE SAFETY OF THE FLT. MORE CONCERNING TO ME IS BEING SELCALED DURING A CRITICAL PHASE OF FLT AND THE TIME AND FUEL USED BECAUSE WTS ARE NOT RECEIVED IN A TIMELY MANNER. DISPATCH HAD MONITORED OUR EXCHANGE WITH CENTRAL LOAD PLANNING AND ADVISED US THAT RPTING THIS INCIDENT WOULD BE USEFUL IN DRAWING ATTENTION TO THIS. I FULLY AGREE WITH DISPATCH THAT CENTRAL LOAD PLANNING HAS ISSUES IN THIS AREA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.