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Attributes | |
ACN | 660662 |
Time | |
Date | 200506 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : brv.vortac |
State Reference | VA |
Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Marginal |
Weather Elements | Fog |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : pct.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | PA-31T-1 Cheyenne I |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other vortac |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 9600 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 660662 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 660661 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
On an IFR flight; jst to 2w6 (st mary's; md) we experienced an ATC handling/communication situation. We were vectored around the washington ADIZ. Our last assigned instructions were direct 2w6; descend and maintain 5000 ft (from 7000 ft) and contact potomac on 118.65; which we complied with. Potomac approach was extremely busy. Initial call-up we were ignored; no response! I figured ok; well he is busy; he'll get back to us. He never did. On our GPS we could see R-6611 was going to be in our route. My copilot called to question the status of R-6611. We were again ignored. I tried again; ignored. We kept proceeding eastbound and penetrated R-6611. Still no response from potomac approach. I called patuxent on 120.05 and explained; could they help us out. Yes. We were 6 NM from 2w6 at 5000 ft. She cleared us for the visual approach. Out of 3000 ft MSL over the airport; we canceled the IFR and landed at 2w6. Upon exiting the aircraft; the line man gave me a note to call patuxent. I did. They said 'potomac wants to talk to you.' I spoke with a mr X. He questioned me on what I just explained. He said they have no strip on me. What? I'm IFR squawking XXXX! Yes I'm IFR! 'When potomac did not reply; you (me) should have gone back to the last assigned frequency. This is not about going into R-6611 it is about not talking to anyone. We (potomac) were watching you.' now I'm thinking what about traffic conflicts? What if we had a near miss? Mr X told me we should have been assigned a slow sector but we were sent to a busy one by mistake. They had a trainee working with a supervisor. He then said he can see what happened. This is an unrecorded phone line and the secret service will not be notified. He then said it appears to be ATC problem; not mine. Do not worry about it.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: IFR PA31 WITH PCT TRACON WAS ISSUED AN INCORRECT ATC FREQ ASSIGNMENT THAT RESULTED IN AN AIRSPACE INCURSION WITH R-6611.
Narrative: ON AN IFR FLT; JST TO 2W6 (ST MARY'S; MD) WE EXPERIENCED AN ATC HANDLING/COM SIT. WE WERE VECTORED AROUND THE WASHINGTON ADIZ. OUR LAST ASSIGNED INSTRUCTIONS WERE DIRECT 2W6; DSND AND MAINTAIN 5000 FT (FROM 7000 FT) AND CONTACT POTOMAC ON 118.65; WHICH WE COMPLIED WITH. POTOMAC APCH WAS EXTREMELY BUSY. INITIAL CALL-UP WE WERE IGNORED; NO RESPONSE! I FIGURED OK; WELL HE IS BUSY; HE'LL GET BACK TO US. HE NEVER DID. ON OUR GPS WE COULD SEE R-6611 WAS GOING TO BE IN OUR RTE. MY COPLT CALLED TO QUESTION THE STATUS OF R-6611. WE WERE AGAIN IGNORED. I TRIED AGAIN; IGNORED. WE KEPT PROCEEDING EBOUND AND PENETRATED R-6611. STILL NO RESPONSE FROM POTOMAC APCH. I CALLED PATUXENT ON 120.05 AND EXPLAINED; COULD THEY HELP US OUT. YES. WE WERE 6 NM FROM 2W6 AT 5000 FT. SHE CLRED US FOR THE VISUAL APCH. OUT OF 3000 FT MSL OVER THE ARPT; WE CANCELED THE IFR AND LANDED AT 2W6. UPON EXITING THE ACFT; THE LINE MAN GAVE ME A NOTE TO CALL PATUXENT. I DID. THEY SAID 'POTOMAC WANTS TO TALK TO YOU.' I SPOKE WITH A MR X. HE QUESTIONED ME ON WHAT I JUST EXPLAINED. HE SAID THEY HAVE NO STRIP ON ME. WHAT? I'M IFR SQUAWKING XXXX! YES I'M IFR! 'WHEN POTOMAC DID NOT REPLY; YOU (ME) SHOULD HAVE GONE BACK TO THE LAST ASSIGNED FREQ. THIS IS NOT ABOUT GOING INTO R-6611 IT IS ABOUT NOT TALKING TO ANYONE. WE (POTOMAC) WERE WATCHING YOU.' NOW I'M THINKING WHAT ABOUT TFC CONFLICTS? WHAT IF WE HAD A NEAR MISS? MR X TOLD ME WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED A SLOW SECTOR BUT WE WERE SENT TO A BUSY ONE BY MISTAKE. THEY HAD A TRAINEE WORKING WITH A SUPVR. HE THEN SAID HE CAN SEE WHAT HAPPENED. THIS IS AN UNRECORDED PHONE LINE AND THE SECRET SVC WILL NOT BE NOTIFIED. HE THEN SAID IT APPEARS TO BE ATC PROB; NOT MINE. DO NOT WORRY ABOUT IT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.