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Attributes | |
ACN | 661012 |
Time | |
Date | 200506 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cle.airport |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : cle.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Learjet 45 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : cle.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 135 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller non radar : 3 controller radar : 15 controller time certified in position1 : 9 |
ASRS Report | 661012 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : approach |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : published procedure non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 0 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
While working the satellite position; the previous controller had an aircraft 'tagged up' indicating she had authority/authorized the arrival controller to descend that aircraft as low as 4000 ft. That aircraft landed cle without incident. I had an LJ45 on a 320 degree heading destined for bkl at 3000 ft. The arrival controller descended an aircraft to 3000 ft in my airspace and I issued traffic to LJ45 in ample time to issue visual separation instructions. I issued traffic of the next arrival; an E135 rj at or above 4000 ft at the time. As I observed the rj descend below 4000 ft; I reissued the traffic to LJ45 and he reported the traffic in sight and I instructed the aircraft to maintain visual separation from that traffic. I do not know how close the aircraft were to each other at the time the visual separation instruction was issued. At the time of this occurrence; I observed the operational supervisor who had been watching the arrival controller; turn around and walk back to the supervisor's deck. Upon being relieved; I went to the supervisor; asking her what was going on there. She shook her head in what appeared to be frustration. Later; when asked about the incident; I told her that I did not know for sure if there was a loss of separation or not.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CLE APCH CTLR DESCRIBES SUSPECTED SEPARATION INCIDENT AS ADJACENT CTLR ENTERED AIRSPACE WITHOUT PROPER COORD OR AUTH.
Narrative: WHILE WORKING THE SATELLITE POS; THE PREVIOUS CTLR HAD AN ACFT 'TAGGED UP' INDICATING SHE HAD AUTH THE ARR CTLR TO DSND THAT ACFT AS LOW AS 4000 FT. THAT ACFT LANDED CLE WITHOUT INCIDENT. I HAD AN LJ45 ON A 320 DEG HDG DESTINED FOR BKL AT 3000 FT. THE ARR CTLR DSNDED AN ACFT TO 3000 FT IN MY AIRSPACE AND I ISSUED TFC TO LJ45 IN AMPLE TIME TO ISSUE VISUAL SEPARATION INSTRUCTIONS. I ISSUED TFC OF THE NEXT ARR; AN E135 RJ AT OR ABOVE 4000 FT AT THE TIME. AS I OBSERVED THE RJ DSND BELOW 4000 FT; I REISSUED THE TFC TO LJ45 AND HE RPTED THE TFC IN SIGHT AND I INSTRUCTED THE ACFT TO MAINTAIN VISUAL SEPARATION FROM THAT TFC. I DO NOT KNOW HOW CLOSE THE ACFT WERE TO EACH OTHER AT THE TIME THE VISUAL SEPARATION INSTRUCTION WAS ISSUED. AT THE TIME OF THIS OCCURRENCE; I OBSERVED THE OPERATIONAL SUPVR WHO HAD BEEN WATCHING THE ARR CTLR; TURN AROUND AND WALK BACK TO THE SUPVR'S DECK. UPON BEING RELIEVED; I WENT TO THE SUPVR; ASKING HER WHAT WAS GOING ON THERE. SHE SHOOK HER HEAD IN WHAT APPEARED TO BE FRUSTRATION. LATER; WHEN ASKED ABOUT THE INCIDENT; I TOLD HER THAT I DID NOT KNOW FOR SURE IF THERE WAS A LOSS OF SEPARATION OR NOT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.