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Attributes | |
ACN | 675651 |
Time | |
Date | 200510 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : las.airport |
State Reference | NV |
Altitude | msl single value : 10500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : l30.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | PA-24 Comanche |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | None |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : l30.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Airbus Industrie Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 28 flight time total : 2386 flight time type : 500 |
ASRS Report | 675651 |
Person 2 | |
Function | observation : passenger |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac |
Independent Detector | other other : 2 |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 300 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Airspace Structure Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Narrative:
We were on a return flight from sgu airport to whp airport via the barstow VOR following victor 394. Las vegas approach cleared me into class B airspace and approved me to proceed barstow direct after climbing to 10500 ft. As we were cruising barstow direct; approach called out airbus traffic at about 2 O'clock position and 5 mi at 10000 ft. This was right into the setting sun for us and neither of us could see anything directly into the sun. I communicated that I couldn't see the traffic. Moments later; approach called out the airbus traffic 2 O'clock position and 1 mi at 10000 ft. I communicated a second time the traffic was in the sun and I couldn't pick it out. I remember looking at my altimeter and my GPS to confirm my altitude at 10500 ft. At that moment; my passenger found a visual on the airbus and pulled up on the yoke. I looked at the altimeter then to observe 10700 ft and 10750 ft on my GPS as the airbus flew by right underneath us on a collision course. I don't think I've ever seen an airbus that close. I was so shocked. I was silent. I could hear the sound of my heat pounding over the engine. The airbus looked higher than 10000 ft. If we were on that close of a collision course; why didn't las vegas approach vector me a turn till the airbus passed? In any case; we're alive; but my opinion of las vegas approach is compromised.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PA24 ENCOUNTERS NMAC WITH A320 WHILE ON FLT FOLLOWING JUST N OF LAS.
Narrative: WE WERE ON A RETURN FLT FROM SGU ARPT TO WHP ARPT VIA THE BARSTOW VOR FOLLOWING VICTOR 394. LAS VEGAS APCH CLRED ME INTO CLASS B AIRSPACE AND APPROVED ME TO PROCEED BARSTOW DIRECT AFTER CLBING TO 10500 FT. AS WE WERE CRUISING BARSTOW DIRECT; APCH CALLED OUT AIRBUS TFC AT ABOUT 2 O'CLOCK POS AND 5 MI AT 10000 FT. THIS WAS RIGHT INTO THE SETTING SUN FOR US AND NEITHER OF US COULD SEE ANYTHING DIRECTLY INTO THE SUN. I COMMUNICATED THAT I COULDN'T SEE THE TFC. MOMENTS LATER; APCH CALLED OUT THE AIRBUS TFC 2 O'CLOCK POS AND 1 MI AT 10000 FT. I COMMUNICATED A SECOND TIME THE TFC WAS IN THE SUN AND I COULDN'T PICK IT OUT. I REMEMBER LOOKING AT MY ALTIMETER AND MY GPS TO CONFIRM MY ALT AT 10500 FT. AT THAT MOMENT; MY PAX FOUND A VISUAL ON THE AIRBUS AND PULLED UP ON THE YOKE. I LOOKED AT THE ALTIMETER THEN TO OBSERVE 10700 FT AND 10750 FT ON MY GPS AS THE AIRBUS FLEW BY RIGHT UNDERNEATH US ON A COLLISION COURSE. I DON'T THINK I'VE EVER SEEN AN AIRBUS THAT CLOSE. I WAS SO SHOCKED. I WAS SILENT. I COULD HEAR THE SOUND OF MY HEAT POUNDING OVER THE ENG. THE AIRBUS LOOKED HIGHER THAN 10000 FT. IF WE WERE ON THAT CLOSE OF A COLLISION COURSE; WHY DIDN'T LAS VEGAS APCH VECTOR ME A TURN TILL THE AIRBUS PASSED? IN ANY CASE; WE'RE ALIVE; BUT MY OPINION OF LAS VEGAS APCH IS COMPROMISED.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.