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Attributes | |
ACN | 676329 |
Time | |
Date | 200510 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : crl.vortac |
State Reference | MI |
Altitude | msl single value : 16000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-80 Series (DC-9-80) Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zob.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A319 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Qualification | controller : radar |
Experience | controller radar : 22 |
ASRS Report | 676329 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | atc equipment : conflict alert other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued alert flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | faa : investigated |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 24816 vertical : 400 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
Aircraft #1 and #2 both departures from same airport on same route. Aircraft #1 leading by approximately 7 mi. Aircraft #1 checked on frequency at 280 KTS or less assigned speed; asked aircraft #1 what normal speed in climb would be. Reply was 290 KTS. Aircraft #1 issued normal speed. Aircraft #2 checked on assigned 280 KTS. Both aircraft issued climb to FL230. Aircraft #1 issued a crossing restr to clear above crossing traffic and was asked if this would be a problem. Reply was 'no problem.' aircraft #1 reduced speed approximately 50 KTS to expedite climb without notification. Aircraft #2 was turned 90 degrees when radar showed speed differential. Closest proximity was 4.7 mi. Pilot of aircraft #1 later stated (telephone); 'I thought I was behind aircraft #2 because of approach control's assignment of 280 KTS or less. I didn't need to slow and could have flown the aircraft differently.' pilot's assumption has resulted in my loss of certification. Crash fire rescue equipment part 91 no longer contains any requirement to notify ATC of speed changes. This makes longitudinal separation a gamble unless speeds are assigned to every aircraft. A situation that hampers the pilot and creates excessive workload for the controller.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZOB CTLR EXPERIENCED OPERROR AT 16000 FT AS DEP ACFT OVERTOOK PRECEDING DEP ON SAME RTE.
Narrative: ACFT #1 AND #2 BOTH DEPS FROM SAME ARPT ON SAME RTE. ACFT #1 LEADING BY APPROX 7 MI. ACFT #1 CHKED ON FREQ AT 280 KTS OR LESS ASSIGNED SPD; ASKED ACFT #1 WHAT NORMAL SPD IN CLB WOULD BE. REPLY WAS 290 KTS. ACFT #1 ISSUED NORMAL SPD. ACFT #2 CHKED ON ASSIGNED 280 KTS. BOTH ACFT ISSUED CLB TO FL230. ACFT #1 ISSUED A XING RESTR TO CLR ABOVE XING TFC AND WAS ASKED IF THIS WOULD BE A PROB. REPLY WAS 'NO PROB.' ACFT #1 REDUCED SPD APPROX 50 KTS TO EXPEDITE CLB WITHOUT NOTIFICATION. ACFT #2 WAS TURNED 90 DEGS WHEN RADAR SHOWED SPD DIFFERENTIAL. CLOSEST PROX WAS 4.7 MI. PLT OF ACFT #1 LATER STATED (TELEPHONE); 'I THOUGHT I WAS BEHIND ACFT #2 BECAUSE OF APCH CTL'S ASSIGNMENT OF 280 KTS OR LESS. I DIDN'T NEED TO SLOW AND COULD HAVE FLOWN THE ACFT DIFFERENTLY.' PLT'S ASSUMPTION HAS RESULTED IN MY LOSS OF CERTIFICATION. CFR PART 91 NO LONGER CONTAINS ANY REQUIREMENT TO NOTIFY ATC OF SPD CHANGES. THIS MAKES LONGITUDINAL SEPARATION A GAMBLE UNLESS SPDS ARE ASSIGNED TO EVERY ACFT. A SIT THAT HAMPERS THE PLT AND CREATES EXCESSIVE WORKLOAD FOR THE CTLR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.