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Attributes | |
ACN | 676850 |
Time | |
Date | 200511 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dfw.airport |
State Reference | TX |
Altitude | msl single value : 1080 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : d10.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : akuna |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
ASRS Report | 676850 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
ASRS Report | 677393 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
RNAV departure deviation we were assigned runway 17R on the akuna two RNAV departure from dfw. During taxi; the proper runway entry and all waypoint fixes were verified on our FMS displays. We took off and in the initial climb were in FMS-navigation mode. Tower quickly handed us off to departure control. At 1080 ft; the FMS commanded the left turn to the first fix; navye. As the aircraft began turning; my gut feeling was something was wrong as the turn seemed excessive. I quickly checked the RNAV SID and the FMS display and all were correct. At this time; departure control saw the flight path deviation and gave us a turn back to the right. The next thing we observed on both FMS displays was a flashing yellow position symbol. Upon selecting the message page; the displays showed 'position correcting' messages. When things finally settled down; we investigated the FMS further. On page two of the data page selection we found displayed in red both GPS 1 fail and GPS 2 fail. We need to have an immediate alert to this failure possibility which was totally absent in this event. The alert should be either aural or be prominently displayed on the pfds and mfds. An alert displayed on the FMS is not immediately noticeable at this critical phase of flight.callback conversation with reporter revealed the following information: reporter stated that unless an FMS page search had been conducted the crew would never have known the source of the problem. No EICAS or pfd annunciation is provided and the reporter believes that this condition is present on all EMB145's in his air carrier fleet.supplemental information from acn 677393: both the captain and I should have caught the turn sooner; but we have become very complacent with the level of navigation we have now; we may be trusting it too much. We need to remember that things are still going to break and we have to know where we are supposed to be at all times. The workload during the takeoff phase is very heavy and we need to be extra aware of what our aircraft is doing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN EMB145 EXPERIENCED DUAL GPS FAILURES WHILE FLYING AN RNAV DEP WITHOUT FLT STATION ANNUNCIATION.
Narrative: RNAV DEP DEV WE WERE ASSIGNED RWY 17R ON THE AKUNA TWO RNAV DEP FROM DFW. DURING TAXI; THE PROPER RWY ENTRY AND ALL WAYPOINT FIXES WERE VERIFIED ON OUR FMS DISPLAYS. WE TOOK OFF AND IN THE INITIAL CLB WERE IN FMS-NAV MODE. TWR QUICKLY HANDED US OFF TO DEP CTL. AT 1080 FT; THE FMS COMMANDED THE L TURN TO THE FIRST FIX; NAVYE. AS THE ACFT BEGAN TURNING; MY GUT FEELING WAS SOMETHING WAS WRONG AS THE TURN SEEMED EXCESSIVE. I QUICKLY CHKED THE RNAV SID AND THE FMS DISPLAY AND ALL WERE CORRECT. AT THIS TIME; DEP CTL SAW THE FLT PATH DEV AND GAVE US A TURN BACK TO THE R. THE NEXT THING WE OBSERVED ON BOTH FMS DISPLAYS WAS A FLASHING YELLOW POS SYMBOL. UPON SELECTING THE MESSAGE PAGE; THE DISPLAYS SHOWED 'POSITION CORRECTING' MESSAGES. WHEN THINGS FINALLY SETTLED DOWN; WE INVESTIGATED THE FMS FURTHER. ON PAGE TWO OF THE DATA PAGE SELECTION WE FOUND DISPLAYED IN RED BOTH GPS 1 FAIL AND GPS 2 FAIL. WE NEED TO HAVE AN IMMEDIATE ALERT TO THIS FAILURE POSSIBILITY WHICH WAS TOTALLY ABSENT IN THIS EVENT. THE ALERT SHOULD BE EITHER AURAL OR BE PROMINENTLY DISPLAYED ON THE PFDS AND MFDS. AN ALERT DISPLAYED ON THE FMS IS NOT IMMEDIATELY NOTICEABLE AT THIS CRITICAL PHASE OF FLT.CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING INFO: RPTR STATED THAT UNLESS AN FMS PAGE SEARCH HAD BEEN CONDUCTED THE CREW WOULD NEVER HAVE KNOWN THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM. NO EICAS OR PFD ANNUNCIATION IS PROVIDED AND THE RPTR BELIEVES THAT THIS CONDITION IS PRESENT ON ALL EMB145'S IN HIS ACR FLEET.SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 677393: BOTH THE CAPT AND I SHOULD HAVE CAUGHT THE TURN SOONER; BUT WE HAVE BECOME VERY COMPLACENT WITH THE LEVEL OF NAVIGATION WE HAVE NOW; WE MAY BE TRUSTING IT TOO MUCH. WE NEED TO REMEMBER THAT THINGS ARE STILL GOING TO BREAK AND WE HAVE TO KNOW WHERE WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE AT ALL TIMES. THE WORKLOAD DURING THE TKOF PHASE IS VERY HVY AND WE NEED TO BE EXTRA AWARE OF WHAT OUR ACFT IS DOING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.