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Attributes | |
ACN | 690352 |
Time | |
Date | 200603 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lga.airport |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower tower : pdx.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 135 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : holding |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : lga.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | landing : go around |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 690352 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | incursion : runway non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllerb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance controller : issued advisory |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Instruction received and read back; 'taxi a; east; B to 4.' at the intersection of taxiway east/B; was instructed to monitor tower. We were about #10 at this point and proceeded to move up as aircraft were cleared for takeoff. When we were next to go; we moved up to the runway hold short line. At this point there wa an air carrier Y aircraft on short final. We received a call from tower that west were 'across the line or sticking across the line and to taxi across runway 4.' we looked at the proximity of the aircraft and the hold short line clearly visible in front of us. There was definitely some confusion; but taxiing in front of this close-in landing traffic did not seem like the safest thing to do; so I replied 'no thanks; we'll wait until after the aircraft lands.' tower instructed the air carrier Y aircraft to go around. We tried to get a word in on tower to find out what was going on; but the tower became so busy that it was better to just let him get to us when he had a chance. Another aircraft was sent around and we were instructed to taxi across the runway then spin around on a combination of txwys to runway 4. The ATIS said that the ILS hold line was being used. The airport diagram page (10-9) says that 'aircraft may be asked to hold short of the ILS hold line.' first officer and I still believe that we were instructed to taxi to runway 4 via a; east; and B; which we would take as the runway hold short line. Given the extremely clear conditions and the taxi instructions; holding short of the ILS hold short line did not appears to be the thing to do.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: EMB135 FLT CREW HAS A RWY INCURSION ON LGA RWY 4.
Narrative: INSTRUCTION RECEIVED AND READ BACK; 'TAXI A; E; B TO 4.' AT THE INTXN OF TXWY E/B; WAS INSTRUCTED TO MONITOR TWR. WE WERE ABOUT #10 AT THIS POINT AND PROCEEDED TO MOVE UP AS ACFT WERE CLRED FOR TKOF. WHEN WE WERE NEXT TO GO; WE MOVED UP TO THE RWY HOLD SHORT LINE. AT THIS POINT THERE WA AN ACR Y ACFT ON SHORT FINAL. WE RECEIVED A CALL FROM TWR THAT W WERE 'ACROSS THE LINE OR STICKING ACROSS THE LINE AND TO TAXI ACROSS RWY 4.' WE LOOKED AT THE PROX OF THE ACFT AND THE HOLD SHORT LINE CLRLY VISIBLE IN FRONT OF US. THERE WAS DEFINITELY SOME CONFUSION; BUT TAXIING IN FRONT OF THIS CLOSE-IN LNDG TFC DID NOT SEEM LIKE THE SAFEST THING TO DO; SO I REPLIED 'NO THANKS; WE'LL WAIT UNTIL AFTER THE ACFT LANDS.' TWR INSTRUCTED THE ACR Y ACFT TO GO AROUND. WE TRIED TO GET A WORD IN ON TWR TO FIND OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON; BUT THE TWR BECAME SO BUSY THAT IT WAS BETTER TO JUST LET HIM GET TO US WHEN HE HAD A CHANCE. ANOTHER ACFT WAS SENT AROUND AND WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO TAXI ACROSS THE RWY THEN SPIN AROUND ON A COMBINATION OF TXWYS TO RWY 4. THE ATIS SAID THAT THE ILS HOLD LINE WAS BEING USED. THE ARPT DIAGRAM PAGE (10-9) SAYS THAT 'ACFT MAY BE ASKED TO HOLD SHORT OF THE ILS HOLD LINE.' FO AND I STILL BELIEVE THAT WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO TAXI TO RWY 4 VIA A; E; AND B; WHICH WE WOULD TAKE AS THE RWY HOLD SHORT LINE. GIVEN THE EXTREMELY CLR CONDITIONS AND THE TAXI INSTRUCTIONS; HOLDING SHORT OF THE ILS HOLD SHORT LINE DID NOT APPEARS TO BE THE THING TO DO.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.