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Attributes | |
ACN | 692831 |
Time | |
Date | 200604 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : teb.airport |
State Reference | NJ |
Altitude | msl single value : 1500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : n90.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Challenger CL604 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : teb |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 300 |
ASRS Report | 692831 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
On teb 5 departure; with low time type-rated pilot flying. Climb to 1500 ft was normal as was the leveloff. Speed increased to about 250 KTS after leveloff when it should have stayed at 200 KTS. I didn't notice this right away as I was concerned about the turn and with the controller. Turn to required 250 degree heading was initiated on time; but turn rate was a little slow. Transponder was not on initially; but was on by 800 on controller prompt. Passing about 250 degrees; controller asked if we were on a 280 degree heading. I replied 'almost; don't you see us yet?' he muttered something about an overlap and words similar to 'that's close; real close.' I don't know if he was talking to us; to himself; or to a controller overlooking his scope. Very shortly thereafter he called radar contact and gave us a continued climb clearance. First; while I briefed the departure procedure and I am intimately familiar with it; I believe I would emphasize better that this is a procedure that must be accomplished rather crisply in that the initial climb; initial leveloff; and initial turn should not be delayed and that airspeed control is very important. In a nutshell this is a choreographic departure. My error in not turning on the transponder added to the workload. Not as good as it should have been; but the procedure was accomplished as published. The airspeed increase may have been legal as we may have been inside of class B by the time this occurred; but contributed a detrimental factor regardless. However; the controller muttering has bothered me ever since. No other traffic was observed with the exception of a target on TCAS about 5 miles away towards ewr.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CL604 FLT CREW TURNS WIDE DURING THE TEB 5 DEP DUE TO EXCESSIVE AIRSPEED. CTLR QUERIES THE FLT CREW ABOUT HEADING.
Narrative: ON TEB 5 DEP; WITH LOW TIME TYPE-RATED PLT FLYING. CLB TO 1500 FT WAS NORMAL AS WAS THE LEVELOFF. SPEED INCREASED TO ABOUT 250 KTS AFTER LEVELOFF WHEN IT SHOULD HAVE STAYED AT 200 KTS. I DIDN'T NOTICE THIS RIGHT AWAY AS I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT THE TURN AND WITH THE CTLR. TURN TO REQUIRED 250 DEG HEADING WAS INITIATED ON TIME; BUT TURN RATE WAS A LITTLE SLOW. TRANSPONDER WAS NOT ON INITIALLY; BUT WAS ON BY 800 ON CTLR PROMPT. PASSING ABOUT 250 DEGS; CTLR ASKED IF WE WERE ON A 280 DEG HEADING. I REPLIED 'ALMOST; DON'T YOU SEE US YET?' HE MUTTERED SOMETHING ABOUT AN OVERLAP AND WORDS SIMILAR TO 'THAT'S CLOSE; REAL CLOSE.' I DON'T KNOW IF HE WAS TALKING TO US; TO HIMSELF; OR TO A CTLR OVERLOOKING HIS SCOPE. VERY SHORTLY THEREAFTER HE CALLED RADAR CONTACT AND GAVE US A CONTINUED CLB CLRNC. FIRST; WHILE I BRIEFED THE DEP PROC AND I AM INTIMATELY FAMILIAR WITH IT; I BELIEVE I WOULD EMPHASIZE BETTER THAT THIS IS A PROC THAT MUST BE ACCOMPLISHED RATHER CRISPLY IN THAT THE INITIAL CLB; INITIAL LEVELOFF; AND INITIAL TURN SHOULD NOT BE DELAYED AND THAT AIRSPEED CTL IS VERY IMPORTANT. IN A NUTSHELL THIS IS A CHOREOGRAPHIC DEP. MY ERROR IN NOT TURNING ON THE TRANSPONDER ADDED TO THE WORKLOAD. NOT AS GOOD AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN; BUT THE PROC WAS ACCOMPLISHED AS PUBLISHED. THE AIRSPEED INCREASE MAY HAVE BEEN LEGAL AS WE MAY HAVE BEEN INSIDE OF CLASS B BY THE TIME THIS OCCURRED; BUT CONTRIBUTED A DETRIMENTAL FACTOR REGARDLESS. HOWEVER; THE CTLR MUTTERING HAS BOTHERED ME EVER SINCE. NO OTHER TRAFFIC WAS OBSERVED WITH THE EXCEPTION OF A TARGET ON TCAS ABOUT 5 MILES AWAY TOWARDS EWR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.