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Attributes | |
ACN | 693758 |
Time | |
Date | 200604 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl.airport |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a80.tracon tower : bos.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | EMB ERJ 145 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | climbout : initial |
Route In Use | departure sid : dooly rnav |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 4000 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 693758 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 2000 flight time type : 1600 |
ASRS Report | 693757 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : critical non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : overrode automation flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
We were departing atl using the DOOLY3 RNAV departure. After loading the procedure we checked the route and distance between the fixes to make sure it matched the new chart. We noticed the mileage on the FMS between futbl and zalle was 6.0 NM and the charted was 7.1 NM and mileage between zalle and hyzmn in the FMS was also short; 14.4 versus the charted 15.5. We departed with the awareness that we may need to advise ATC that we may not be able to comply with the procedure if the FMS would not track properly and the distances did not correct themselves. When lining up on the runway the FMS showed that we were centered and position was correct. After departure the aircraft tracked properly over futbl and turned towards zalle correctly. After futbl the FMS sequenced to hyzmn about 4 miles from zalle and began a very gradual bank. Knowing that this was too early and would cause us to track too far inside the turn I selected heading mode and advised ATC that we would not be able to comply with the departure. They said that our turn was looking a little early but still within limits and then they issued a heading towards hyzmn and then dooly. The aircraft did not make the turn sharply close to zalle as it is supposed to but rather gradually and far from the fix as it was doing before the published software correction that enabled us to resume RNAV procedures recently. There was no separation incursion and according to ATC we had not departed the procedure yet but we would have had we kept going. The only correction I may have for this problem is correction of software issues in the FMS and navigation system.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW OF E145 FLYING DOOLY RNAV SID FROM ATL OVERRIDE AUTOFLT SYSTEM WHEN IT STARTS THE TURN TOWARD HYZMN WELL BEFORE REACHING ZALLE.
Narrative: WE WERE DEPARTING ATL USING THE DOOLY3 RNAV DEP. AFTER LOADING THE PROC WE CHKED THE RTE AND DISTANCE BETWEEN THE FIXES TO MAKE SURE IT MATCHED THE NEW CHART. WE NOTICED THE MILEAGE ON THE FMS BETWEEN FUTBL AND ZALLE WAS 6.0 NM AND THE CHARTED WAS 7.1 NM AND MILEAGE BETWEEN ZALLE AND HYZMN IN THE FMS WAS ALSO SHORT; 14.4 VERSUS THE CHARTED 15.5. WE DEPARTED WITH THE AWARENESS THAT WE MAY NEED TO ADVISE ATC THAT WE MAY NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THE PROC IF THE FMS WOULD NOT TRACK PROPERLY AND THE DISTANCES DID NOT CORRECT THEMSELVES. WHEN LINING UP ON THE RWY THE FMS SHOWED THAT WE WERE CENTERED AND POSITION WAS CORRECT. AFTER DEP THE ACFT TRACKED PROPERLY OVER FUTBL AND TURNED TOWARDS ZALLE CORRECTLY. AFTER FUTBL THE FMS SEQUENCED TO HYZMN ABOUT 4 MILES FROM ZALLE AND BEGAN A VERY GRADUAL BANK. KNOWING THAT THIS WAS TOO EARLY AND WOULD CAUSE US TO TRACK TOO FAR INSIDE THE TURN I SELECTED HDG MODE AND ADVISED ATC THAT WE WOULD NOT BE ABLE TO COMPLY WITH THE DEP. THEY SAID THAT OUR TURN WAS LOOKING A LITTLE EARLY BUT STILL WITHIN LIMITS AND THEN THEY ISSUED A HEADING TOWARDS HYZMN AND THEN DOOLY. THE ACFT DID NOT MAKE THE TURN SHARPLY CLOSE TO ZALLE AS IT IS SUPPOSED TO BUT RATHER GRADUALLY AND FAR FROM THE FIX AS IT WAS DOING BEFORE THE PUBLISHED SOFTWARE CORRECTION THAT ENABLED US TO RESUME RNAV PROCS RECENTLY. THERE WAS NO SEPARATION INCURSION AND ACCORDING TO ATC WE HAD NOT DEPARTED THE PROC YET BUT WE WOULD HAVE HAD WE KEPT GOING. THE ONLY CORRECTION I MAY HAVE FOR THIS PROB IS CORRECTION OF SOFTWARE ISSUES IN THE FMS AND NAV SYSTEM.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.