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Attributes | |
ACN | 694414 |
Time | |
Date | 200604 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : btv.airport |
State Reference | VT |
Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : btv.tower tower : bhm.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet 200 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | ground : takeoff roll |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : btv.tower |
Operator | general aviation : instructional |
Make Model Name | Cessna Aircraft Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 9000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 694414 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1200 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
We were taking off on runway 33. Note: runway 33 shortened to 6300 ft for takeoff due to construction. 17 degrees C; maximum performance takeoff required for weight (static takeoff). Conflicting traffic: high wing cessna landing runway 1 (crossing runway). We were given; 'position and hold runway 33. Be ready.' we taxied from taxiway J onto runway 33 overrun. We had to stop for static takeoff performance. We were; 'cleared for takeoff; traffic airbus 4 mi final.' we pwred up and rolled. I heard btv tower call; 'go around' to an aircraft landing runway 1 (and turn when able). We were accelerating quickly and I looked for the other aircraft. It was a cessna over the numbers at 100 ft for runway 1. I considered aborting! But; with the shortened runway and high aircraft weight; decided against it. The cessna continued flying over runway 1 for an uncomfortable amount of time (no turn) and I considered abort again; but this time it would be in the very high speed realm (110+ KTS). I determined we were outrunning/accelerating the crossing traffic and continued. Finally; the cessna turned hard left. Our takeoff was normal. In my opinion; spacing and safety were compromised. In retrospect; I should have and will abort in a similar situation again. I also would not have taken off (accepted the clearance) had I known the other aircraft was short final for a crossing runway. Tower; trying to squeeze us out between arrs for runway 33 (airbus 4 mi final) and training aircraft using runway 1; made for a very unsafe event. The 2 aircraft were just too close.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CRJ DEP FROM BTV ON TKOF ROLL RWY 33 OBSERVED LNDG CESSNA TFC FOR RWY 1; TWR ISSUED L TURN GAR TO CESSNA.
Narrative: WE WERE TAKING OFF ON RWY 33. NOTE: RWY 33 SHORTENED TO 6300 FT FOR TKOF DUE TO CONSTRUCTION. 17 DEGS C; MAX PERFORMANCE TKOF REQUIRED FOR WT (STATIC TKOF). CONFLICTING TFC: HIGH WING CESSNA LNDG RWY 1 (XING RWY). WE WERE GIVEN; 'POS AND HOLD RWY 33. BE READY.' WE TAXIED FROM TXWY J ONTO RWY 33 OVERRUN. WE HAD TO STOP FOR STATIC TKOF PERFORMANCE. WE WERE; 'CLRED FOR TKOF; TFC AIRBUS 4 MI FINAL.' WE PWRED UP AND ROLLED. I HEARD BTV TWR CALL; 'GO AROUND' TO AN ACFT LNDG RWY 1 (AND TURN WHEN ABLE). WE WERE ACCELERATING QUICKLY AND I LOOKED FOR THE OTHER ACFT. IT WAS A CESSNA OVER THE NUMBERS AT 100 FT FOR RWY 1. I CONSIDERED ABORTING! BUT; WITH THE SHORTENED RWY AND HIGH ACFT WT; DECIDED AGAINST IT. THE CESSNA CONTINUED FLYING OVER RWY 1 FOR AN UNCOMFORTABLE AMOUNT OF TIME (NO TURN) AND I CONSIDERED ABORT AGAIN; BUT THIS TIME IT WOULD BE IN THE VERY HIGH SPD REALM (110+ KTS). I DETERMINED WE WERE OUTRUNNING/ACCELERATING THE XING TFC AND CONTINUED. FINALLY; THE CESSNA TURNED HARD L. OUR TKOF WAS NORMAL. IN MY OPINION; SPACING AND SAFETY WERE COMPROMISED. IN RETROSPECT; I SHOULD HAVE AND WILL ABORT IN A SIMILAR SITUATION AGAIN. I ALSO WOULD NOT HAVE TAKEN OFF (ACCEPTED THE CLRNC) HAD I KNOWN THE OTHER ACFT WAS SHORT FINAL FOR A XING RWY. TWR; TRYING TO SQUEEZE US OUT BTWN ARRS FOR RWY 33 (AIRBUS 4 MI FINAL) AND TRAINING ACFT USING RWY 1; MADE FOR A VERY UNSAFE EVENT. THE 2 ACFT WERE JUST TOO CLOSE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.