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Attributes | |
ACN | 696842 |
Time | |
Date | 200605 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : san.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 2000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : multi engine pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 25000 flight time type : 5000 |
ASRS Report | 696842 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 60 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 696688 |
Events | |
Anomaly | aircraft equipment problem : less severe non adherence : clearance other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication Aircraft ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Aircraft |
Narrative:
Manufacturer of on-board FMS has delisted DME's for the san diego approachs (ie; ILS-9 localizer 27). FAA has approved the use of our nd (navigation display/map feature) to be a suitable means of identing fixes or intxns on these approachs. We were cleared for localizer-27 outside swatt intersection to maintain 180 KIAS until the FAF (reebo). As shown on our FMS navigation display; our position to aggressively slow to approach speed of 135 KIAS; was over reebo. The digital counter at reebo showed '0.' socal approach requested our airspeed and remarked that their reading image showed us slowing in conflict with our clearance. It was their belief that we had slowed 1.5 mi too soon. Given our position as presented to us by our navigation equipment; we respectfully disagreed. It appears that DME's listed for this approach would have more accurately determined our position than the alternative navigation display currently in use. Supplemental information from acn 696688: subsequent conversation with socal approach shows there is a 1.5 mi difference between the aircraft position on their radar and the aft position indicated on the navigation display (aircraft 1.5 mi further east).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A300 FLT CREW SLOWS TO APCH SPD AT REEBO FAF ON THE LOC-DME RWY 27 SAN TOO SOON AND CTLR COMMENTS ON POS.
Narrative: MANUFACTURER OF ON-BOARD FMS HAS DELISTED DME'S FOR THE SAN DIEGO APCHS (IE; ILS-9 LOC 27). FAA HAS APPROVED THE USE OF OUR ND (NAV DISPLAY/MAP FEATURE) TO BE A SUITABLE MEANS OF IDENTING FIXES OR INTXNS ON THESE APCHS. WE WERE CLRED FOR LOC-27 OUTSIDE SWATT INTXN TO MAINTAIN 180 KIAS UNTIL THE FAF (REEBO). AS SHOWN ON OUR FMS NAV DISPLAY; OUR POS TO AGGRESSIVELY SLOW TO APCH SPD OF 135 KIAS; WAS OVER REEBO. THE DIGITAL COUNTER AT REEBO SHOWED '0.' SOCAL APCH REQUESTED OUR AIRSPD AND REMARKED THAT THEIR READING IMAGE SHOWED US SLOWING IN CONFLICT WITH OUR CLRNC. IT WAS THEIR BELIEF THAT WE HAD SLOWED 1.5 MI TOO SOON. GIVEN OUR POS AS PRESENTED TO US BY OUR NAV EQUIP; WE RESPECTFULLY DISAGREED. IT APPEARS THAT DME'S LISTED FOR THIS APCH WOULD HAVE MORE ACCURATELY DETERMINED OUR POS THAN THE ALTERNATIVE NAV DISPLAY CURRENTLY IN USE. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 696688: SUBSEQUENT CONVERSATION WITH SOCAL APCH SHOWS THERE IS A 1.5 MI DIFFERENCE BTWN THE ACFT POS ON THEIR RADAR AND THE AFT POS INDICATED ON THE NAV DISPLAY (ACFT 1.5 MI FURTHER E).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.