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Attributes | |
ACN | 704388 |
Time | |
Date | 200607 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : myr.airport |
State Reference | SC |
Altitude | agl single value : 1200 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : myr.tower |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-500 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | tower : myr.tower |
Operator | other |
Make Model Name | Hercules (C-130) |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : cfi pilot : flight engineer pilot : multi engine pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 1500 flight time total : 14000 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 704388 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took precautionary avoidance action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 11000 vertical : 200 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Airport ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
After being cleared for a visual approach to runway 18 and only 3.5 NM from runway end; tower cleared us to land '#2 behind a C130 on right downwind.' we were indicating 150 KTS planning to slow to final approach speed after being held; at a higher altitude longer than practical for a normal approach to landing. When I located the C130; in my opinion; we were much too close to continue. I felt that when the C130 were to turn onto final; that we be only 1/4 mi apart at the most. I informed tower we would require a 360 degree turn for separation from the C130. Tower responded; 'no you don't' in an indignant tone of voice; followed by 'continue.' tower did not know our airspeed and we did not know his plan of action. I slowed the aircraft to final approach speed with full landing flaps. The C130 made a 'short approach' and then a touch-and-go. At no time were we ever informed of the intentions of the C130; or of the tower controller. We landed safely after slowing substantially. Had we been in a heavier aircraft or in a B737-800/B737-900; there is no possible way we would have been able to slow enough to provide adequate separation between us and the C130. The tower controller seemed content with telling us how to fly our aircraft; while not keeping us in the loop as to his intentions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: B737-500 FLT CREW HAS CONCERN WITH ACFT SEPARATION DURING APCH TO MYR.
Narrative: AFTER BEING CLRED FOR A VISUAL APCH TO RWY 18 AND ONLY 3.5 NM FROM RWY END; TWR CLRED US TO LAND '#2 BEHIND A C130 ON R DOWNWIND.' WE WERE INDICATING 150 KTS PLANNING TO SLOW TO FINAL APCH SPD AFTER BEING HELD; AT A HIGHER ALT LONGER THAN PRACTICAL FOR A NORMAL APCH TO LNDG. WHEN I LOCATED THE C130; IN MY OPINION; WE WERE MUCH TOO CLOSE TO CONTINUE. I FELT THAT WHEN THE C130 WERE TO TURN ONTO FINAL; THAT WE BE ONLY 1/4 MI APART AT THE MOST. I INFORMED TWR WE WOULD REQUIRE A 360 DEG TURN FOR SEPARATION FROM THE C130. TWR RESPONDED; 'NO YOU DON'T' IN AN INDIGNANT TONE OF VOICE; FOLLOWED BY 'CONTINUE.' TWR DID NOT KNOW OUR AIRSPD AND WE DID NOT KNOW HIS PLAN OF ACTION. I SLOWED THE ACFT TO FINAL APCH SPD WITH FULL LNDG FLAPS. THE C130 MADE A 'SHORT APCH' AND THEN A TOUCH-AND-GO. AT NO TIME WERE WE EVER INFORMED OF THE INTENTIONS OF THE C130; OR OF THE TWR CTLR. WE LANDED SAFELY AFTER SLOWING SUBSTANTIALLY. HAD WE BEEN IN A HEAVIER ACFT OR IN A B737-800/B737-900; THERE IS NO POSSIBLE WAY WE WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SLOW ENOUGH TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE SEPARATION BTWN US AND THE C130. THE TWR CTLR SEEMED CONTENT WITH TELLING US HOW TO FLY OUR ACFT; WHILE NOT KEEPING US IN THE LOOP AS TO HIS INTENTIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.