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Attributes | |
ACN | 705617 |
Time | |
Date | 200608 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : sna.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl single value : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-700 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 215 flight time type : 10000 |
ASRS Report | 705617 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly |
Independent Detector | other controllerb |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance Chart Or Publication Airspace Structure |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
During a vectored approach for runway 19R sna; ATC asked our airspeed. I said '230 KTS.' he responded; 'you've got to be kidding me.' I don't know if he meant it as a joke (ie; radar indicated a much different airspeed) or if he was implying that we exceeded the airspeed restr below class B airspace. Nothing else was said concerning the airspeed. We slowed to 200 KTS and continued the approach. Require ATC to keep aircraft in class B airspace during vectors. Possibly enhance EFIS map to show airspace restrs. I know these two are not practical. This was my first approach into sna in probably 2 yrs. The chart indicates to use caution if you get an early turn onto a downwind leg. I wasn't familiar enough with the approach to know where an early turn might occur and it was overcast; so we had no visual cues. Next approach into sna; I will slow to 200 KTS earlier than I have in the past. I think it's better to be looking outside for traffic rather than being heads down referencing charts and vors in order to figure out when you might be below class B airspace.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737-700 FLT CREW ON ARR TO SNA EXCEEDED THE 200 KT SPD LIMIT BELOW THE CLASS B FLOOR.
Narrative: DURING A VECTORED APCH FOR RWY 19R SNA; ATC ASKED OUR AIRSPD. I SAID '230 KTS.' HE RESPONDED; 'YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING ME.' I DON'T KNOW IF HE MEANT IT AS A JOKE (IE; RADAR INDICATED A MUCH DIFFERENT AIRSPD) OR IF HE WAS IMPLYING THAT WE EXCEEDED THE AIRSPD RESTR BELOW CLASS B AIRSPACE. NOTHING ELSE WAS SAID CONCERNING THE AIRSPD. WE SLOWED TO 200 KTS AND CONTINUED THE APCH. REQUIRE ATC TO KEEP ACFT IN CLASS B AIRSPACE DURING VECTORS. POSSIBLY ENHANCE EFIS MAP TO SHOW AIRSPACE RESTRS. I KNOW THESE TWO ARE NOT PRACTICAL. THIS WAS MY FIRST APCH INTO SNA IN PROBABLY 2 YRS. THE CHART INDICATES TO USE CAUTION IF YOU GET AN EARLY TURN ONTO A DOWNWIND LEG. I WASN'T FAMILIAR ENOUGH WITH THE APCH TO KNOW WHERE AN EARLY TURN MIGHT OCCUR AND IT WAS OVCST; SO WE HAD NO VISUAL CUES. NEXT APCH INTO SNA; I WILL SLOW TO 200 KTS EARLIER THAN I HAVE IN THE PAST. I THINK IT'S BETTER TO BE LOOKING OUTSIDE FOR TFC RATHER THAN BEING HEADS DOWN REFING CHARTS AND VORS IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT WHEN YOU MIGHT BE BELOW CLASS B AIRSPACE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.