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Attributes | |
ACN | 709288 |
Time | |
Date | 200609 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : lax.airport |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 5000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sct.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | B737-300 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : civet5 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 295 flight time type : 8000 |
ASRS Report | 709288 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 244 flight time type : 3500 |
ASRS Report | 709287 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : crossing restriction not met non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Inbound to lax got speed reduction for traffic and a few vectors off course for spacing. Had programmed into CDU; civet arrival and runway 24R. Received a change during arrival to runway 25R. This is the first time I had been to the runway 25R runway. We reprogrammed into the CDU the civet arrival and runway 25R. Executed the box and the intersection fallt did not come up when closing the route. Missed it during the approach. Controller said there was no problem; but to watch it the next time. No other traffic was moved due to the missed altitude. After looking at the problem on the ground; found out that you must select the arrival; the transition and runway and you must also select the runway transition; in order to get the intersection fallt to be input on the screen. If you forget the runway transition; the intersection fallt does not come up for display. This is what happened to us; and we missed the intersection at 5000 ft. Need to back up the approach using both the paper chart and the box. Use both; not just one system by itself.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A B737-300 FLT CREW ON THE CIVET 5 ARR TO LAX GOT A LAST MIN RWY CHANGE FROM RWY 24R TO RWY 25R. THEY FAILED TO LOAD THE TRANSITION; AND MISSED A XING RESTR AT FALLT INTXN.
Narrative: INBOUND TO LAX GOT SPD REDUCTION FOR TFC AND A FEW VECTORS OFF COURSE FOR SPACING. HAD PROGRAMMED INTO CDU; CIVET ARR AND RWY 24R. RECEIVED A CHANGE DURING ARR TO RWY 25R. THIS IS THE FIRST TIME I HAD BEEN TO THE RWY 25R RWY. WE REPROGRAMMED INTO THE CDU THE CIVET ARR AND RWY 25R. EXECUTED THE BOX AND THE INTXN FALLT DID NOT COME UP WHEN CLOSING THE RTE. MISSED IT DURING THE APCH. CTLR SAID THERE WAS NO PROB; BUT TO WATCH IT THE NEXT TIME. NO OTHER TFC WAS MOVED DUE TO THE MISSED ALT. AFTER LOOKING AT THE PROB ON THE GND; FOUND OUT THAT YOU MUST SELECT THE ARR; THE TRANSITION AND RWY AND YOU MUST ALSO SELECT THE RWY TRANSITION; IN ORDER TO GET THE INTXN FALLT TO BE INPUT ON THE SCREEN. IF YOU FORGET THE RWY TRANSITION; THE INTXN FALLT DOES NOT COME UP FOR DISPLAY. THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED TO US; AND WE MISSED THE INTXN AT 5000 FT. NEED TO BACK UP THE APCH USING BOTH THE PAPER CHART AND THE BOX. USE BOTH; NOT JUST ONE SYS BY ITSELF.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.