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Attributes | |
ACN | 728204 |
Time | |
Date | 200702 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | navaid : dpk.vor |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl single value : 15000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dusk |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Citation Excel |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude descent : holding |
Route In Use | arrival star : bouno |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Commercial Fixed Wing |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : commercial |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 145 flight time total : 6800 flight time type : 640 |
ASRS Report | 728204 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : corporate |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : multi engine pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 170 flight time total : 3100 flight time type : 170 |
ASRS Report | 728202 |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne critical non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | aircraft equipment : tcas other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 5000 vertical : 0 |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Error |
Narrative:
This problem resulted due to ATC issues and saturation. We were on the bouno arrival to hpn at 15000 ft and the controller advised us to reverse course to a heading of 180 degrees after crossing the dpk VOR (we were about 5 mi from the VOR when we received the instructions). The controller issued holding instructions about 3 mins later: hold south of dpk on inbound radial of arrival. (I believe it was a 027 degree course) with right turns and 10 mi legs; efc of 2330. We programmed the box and proceeded back to the VOR as cleared to hold. About 3 mi from the VOR; we noticed an aircraft climbing and heading towards dpk. The aircraft did not level off and we received a TCAS RA to descend. The first officer did an excellent job making a smooth; controled descent via the TCAS instructions. I advised ATC that we were in a TCAS descent for traffic. We picked up the aircraft visually; and it was rather close for comfort. We probably were within 1 mi and the other aircraft went right through our altitude. We ended up descending to 14200 ft and then began a climb back to 15000 ft (I advised ATC once again that we had performed a TCAS descent to 14200 ft and were climbing back to 15000 ft). The controller then issues an immediate right turn and indicated 'I do not know what departure just did to me; we will look into it.' the controller was very busy at the time. He was issuing other aircraft new clrncs because ZDC had lost some radar capability. He also informed us that hpn had stopped taking arrs due to a radar or communication outage -- he was not sure which. We were reissued a clearance to cross dpk and proceed on the arrival. I have no suggestions on how this could have been prevented. It is a classic case for why TCAS is such a great safety feature. It was dusk; and we did not see the aircraft until the TCAS alerted us.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C560 CAPT REPORTED TCAS RA EVENT DURING HOLDING AT 15;000 WITH ZNY INBOUND TO HPN; OPERROR RECORDED WITH N90 TRACON.
Narrative: THIS PROB RESULTED DUE TO ATC ISSUES AND SATURATION. WE WERE ON THE BOUNO ARR TO HPN AT 15000 FT AND THE CTLR ADVISED US TO REVERSE COURSE TO A HDG OF 180 DEGS AFTER XING THE DPK VOR (WE WERE ABOUT 5 MI FROM THE VOR WHEN WE RECEIVED THE INSTRUCTIONS). THE CTLR ISSUED HOLDING INSTRUCTIONS ABOUT 3 MINS LATER: HOLD S OF DPK ON INBOUND RADIAL OF ARR. (I BELIEVE IT WAS A 027 DEG COURSE) WITH R TURNS AND 10 MI LEGS; EFC OF 2330. WE PROGRAMMED THE BOX AND PROCEEDED BACK TO THE VOR AS CLRED TO HOLD. ABOUT 3 MI FROM THE VOR; WE NOTICED AN ACFT CLBING AND HEADING TOWARDS DPK. THE ACFT DID NOT LEVEL OFF AND WE RECEIVED A TCAS RA TO DSND. THE FO DID AN EXCELLENT JOB MAKING A SMOOTH; CTLED DSCNT VIA THE TCAS INSTRUCTIONS. I ADVISED ATC THAT WE WERE IN A TCAS DSCNT FOR TFC. WE PICKED UP THE ACFT VISUALLY; AND IT WAS RATHER CLOSE FOR COMFORT. WE PROBABLY WERE WITHIN 1 MI AND THE OTHER ACFT WENT RIGHT THROUGH OUR ALT. WE ENDED UP DSNDING TO 14200 FT AND THEN BEGAN A CLB BACK TO 15000 FT (I ADVISED ATC ONCE AGAIN THAT WE HAD PERFORMED A TCAS DSCNT TO 14200 FT AND WERE CLBING BACK TO 15000 FT). THE CTLR THEN ISSUES AN IMMEDIATE R TURN AND INDICATED 'I DO NOT KNOW WHAT DEP JUST DID TO ME; WE WILL LOOK INTO IT.' THE CTLR WAS VERY BUSY AT THE TIME. HE WAS ISSUING OTHER ACFT NEW CLRNCS BECAUSE ZDC HAD LOST SOME RADAR CAPABILITY. HE ALSO INFORMED US THAT HPN HAD STOPPED TAKING ARRS DUE TO A RADAR OR COM OUTAGE -- HE WAS NOT SURE WHICH. WE WERE REISSUED A CLRNC TO CROSS DPK AND PROCEED ON THE ARR. I HAVE NO SUGGESTIONS ON HOW THIS COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED. IT IS A CLASSIC CASE FOR WHY TCAS IS SUCH A GREAT SAFETY FEATURE. IT WAS DUSK; AND WE DID NOT SEE THE ACFT UNTIL THE TCAS ALERTED US.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.