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A late change in runway ILS assignment at pit requires a vectored re-sequencing to allow reprogramming of carj FMS.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 753606 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200709 |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : pit.airport |
| State Reference | PA |
| Altitude | msl single value : 3000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Weather Elements | Rain |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : pit.tracon |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Regional Jet 700 ER&LR |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
| Navigation In Use | ils localizer & glide slope : 28r other |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach |
| Route In Use | approach : instrument precision |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 26000 flight time type : 8000 |
| ASRS Report | 753606 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 7000 flight time type : 5500 |
| ASRS Report | 753605 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
| Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
When we checked in with approach we were assigned runway 28R. We then got vectored on a right downwind and descended to 3000 ft. The controller gave us three turns to intercept the ILS. The final turn he stated turn left to heading maintain 3000 ft until pittz cleared the ILS runway 28L. This was not expected. I thought he might have misspoken so I asked him to reconfirm the runway assignment. He stated runway 28L; I stated that we were set up for runway 28R; and was there any chance that we might get that runway. He stated that the visibility had gone down and that with the runway approach light being out of service we might not get the runway. We had thought that we might be able to set up for the other side however we were less than four miles from the runway; so the controller gave us a heading of 360 degrees and maintain 3000 ft for vectors back around for another approach. We set the radios and rebriefed for runway 28L. After being vectored for the approach and just before being sent to the tower the controller stated that they had reviewed the tapes and that they told us to expect a runway change to 28L. This seemed strange to us because if we had missed the controller telling us to expect a runway change he never called us again to have us reply. It was sunday and very quiet on the radio for pit.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A LATE CHANGE IN RWY ILS ASSIGNMENT AT PIT REQUIRES A VECTORED RE-SEQUENCING TO ALLOW REPROGRAMMING OF CARJ FMS.
Narrative: WHEN WE CHECKED IN WITH APCH WE WERE ASSIGNED RWY 28R. WE THEN GOT VECTORED ON A R DOWNWIND AND DSNDED TO 3000 FT. THE CTLR GAVE US THREE TURNS TO INTERCEPT THE ILS. THE FINAL TURN HE STATED TURN L TO HDG MAINTAIN 3000 FT UNTIL PITTZ CLRED THE ILS RWY 28L. THIS WAS NOT EXPECTED. I THOUGHT HE MIGHT HAVE MISSPOKEN SO I ASKED HIM TO RECONFIRM THE RWY ASSIGNMENT. HE STATED RWY 28L; I STATED THAT WE WERE SET UP FOR RWY 28R; AND WAS THERE ANY CHANCE THAT WE MIGHT GET THAT RWY. HE STATED THAT THE VISIBILITY HAD GONE DOWN AND THAT WITH THE RWY APCH LIGHT BEING OUT OF SERVICE WE MIGHT NOT GET THE RWY. WE HAD THOUGHT THAT WE MIGHT BE ABLE TO SET UP FOR THE OTHER SIDE HOWEVER WE WERE LESS THAN FOUR MILES FROM THE RWY; SO THE CTLR GAVE US A HDG OF 360 DEGS AND MAINTAIN 3000 FT FOR VECTORS BACK AROUND FOR ANOTHER APCH. WE SET THE RADIOS AND REBRIEFED FOR RWY 28L. AFTER BEING VECTORED FOR THE APCH AND JUST BEFORE BEING SENT TO THE TOWER THE CTLR STATED THAT THEY HAD REVIEWED THE TAPES AND THAT THEY TOLD US TO EXPECT A RWY CHANGE TO 28L. THIS SEEMED STRANGE TO US BECAUSE IF WE HAD MISSED THE CTLR TELLING US TO EXPECT A RWY CHANGE HE NEVER CALLED US AGAIN TO HAVE US REPLY. IT WAS SUNDAY AND VERY QUIET ON THE RADIO FOR PIT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of January 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.