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Attributes | |
ACN | 770943 |
Time | |
Date | 200801 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : phx.airport |
State Reference | AZ |
Altitude | msl single value : 4500 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : p50.tracon tracon : cyul.tracon |
Operator | general aviation : personal |
Make Model Name | Skylane 182/RG Turbo Skylane/RG |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | other |
Function | flight crew : single pilot |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 25 flight time total : 11650 flight time type : 3000 |
ASRS Report | 770943 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Chart Or Publication FAA ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | FAA |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : p50.tracon |
Chart | terminal area : phx class b |
Narrative:
Phx class B airspace chart: VFR transition route; east to west. ZAB hands off to phx approach with incorrect frequency. Then phx continues to hand off to 2 more incorrect frequencys; none of which are printed on the chart transition information. Finally; last phx controller says; 'unable!' why publish an altitude of VFR when one cannot communicate on the published transition route? So; what are the legal responsibilities of the controller who is 'unable' to control what is ctlable airspace according to the chart; and the chart publisher who is responsible for an up-to-date document? Does the FAA flight test team ever test the class B transition rtes for reliable communication? If the FAA wants the pilot and controller to be safe; then they should test the transition route. There is no mention of a gap in communication in the special notices or aeronautical chart bulletin of the AFD; southwest. However; local pilots are aware of this gap in communication with phx; but what about the rest of the pilot population? The array of antennas on south mountain may possibly contribute to the communication problem.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: VFR C182 PLT TRANSITIONING PHX CLASS B VOICED CONCERN REGARDING ATC HANDLING AND SERVICE.
Narrative: PHX CLASS B AIRSPACE CHART: VFR TRANSITION RTE; E TO W. ZAB HANDS OFF TO PHX APCH WITH INCORRECT FREQ. THEN PHX CONTINUES TO HAND OFF TO 2 MORE INCORRECT FREQS; NONE OF WHICH ARE PRINTED ON THE CHART TRANSITION INFO. FINALLY; LAST PHX CTLR SAYS; 'UNABLE!' WHY PUBLISH AN ALT OF VFR WHEN ONE CANNOT COMMUNICATE ON THE PUBLISHED TRANSITION RTE? SO; WHAT ARE THE LEGAL RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE CTLR WHO IS 'UNABLE' TO CTL WHAT IS CTLABLE AIRSPACE ACCORDING TO THE CHART; AND THE CHART PUBLISHER WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR AN UP-TO-DATE DOCUMENT? DOES THE FAA FLT TEST TEAM EVER TEST THE CLASS B TRANSITION RTES FOR RELIABLE COM? IF THE FAA WANTS THE PLT AND CTLR TO BE SAFE; THEN THEY SHOULD TEST THE TRANSITION RTE. THERE IS NO MENTION OF A GAP IN COM IN THE SPECIAL NOTICES OR AERO CHART BULLETIN OF THE AFD; SW. HOWEVER; LCL PLTS ARE AWARE OF THIS GAP IN COM WITH PHX; BUT WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE PLT POPULATION? THE ARRAY OF ANTENNAS ON SOUTH MOUNTAIN MAY POSSIBLY CONTRIBUTE TO THE COM PROB.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.