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Attributes | |
ACN | 772021 |
Time | |
Date | 200801 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : zggg.airport |
State Reference | FO |
Altitude | msl single value : 11800 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | MD-11 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | descent : intermediate altitude |
Route In Use | arrival star : n/a |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 4200 flight time type : 220 |
ASRS Report | 772021 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : foreign |
Function | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued advisory flight crew : returned to assigned altitude |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
On descent into zggg; we leveled off at the assigned altitude (in meters) and had reset our altimeters to the local altimeter setting because we thought we heard the controller use the phrase 'nonstandard' with the altitude assigned. A few minutes later; the controller told us that he showed us 100 meters low and we confirmed that we were at the assigned altitude. We confirmed that all of altimeters were at the local altimeter setting and asked the controller again for his reading of our altitude. We didn't receive a response and discussed the possibility that he had said 'standard' with the assigned altitude. We reset our altimeters to standard and continued on the approach with no further discussion with the controller about our altitude. I believe that we may have been 100 meters low for about 5 NM due to the confusion about the controller's usage of the word standard. I also believe that we were all a little fatigued due to the previous day's flight and were also given a different approach and runway at the airfield close to the descent point; along with the altitude assignment. This caused the crew to focus on the FMS changes and pulling out different approach plates within a short distance form the descent point. This may have distracted us enough to misunderstand the controller's instructions on standard/nonstandard altimeter setting for the assigned altitude.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: FLT CREW REPORTS MISUNDERSTANDING CONTROLLER ISSUING NEW RWY ASSIGNMENT AND NEW ALTITUDE. FLT CREW SETS QNH PRIOR TO DESCENDING BELOW TRANSITION LEVEL.
Narrative: ON DESCENT INTO ZGGG; WE LEVELED OFF AT THE ASSIGNED ALTITUDE (IN METERS) AND HAD RESET OUR ALTIMETERS TO THE LOCAL ALTIMETER SETTING BECAUSE WE THOUGHT WE HEARD THE CONTROLLER USE THE PHRASE 'NONSTANDARD' WITH THE ALTITUDE ASSIGNED. A FEW MINUTES LATER; THE CONTROLLER TOLD US THAT HE SHOWED US 100 METERS LOW AND WE CONFIRMED THAT WE WERE AT THE ASSIGNED ALTITUDE. WE CONFIRMED THAT ALL OF ALTIMETERS WERE AT THE LOCAL ALTIMETER SETTING AND ASKED THE CONTROLLER AGAIN FOR HIS READING OF OUR ALTITUDE. WE DIDN'T RECEIVE A RESPONSE AND DISCUSSED THE POSSIBILITY THAT HE HAD SAID 'STANDARD' WITH THE ASSIGNED ALTITUDE. WE RESET OUR ALTIMETERS TO STANDARD AND CONTINUED ON THE APPROACH WITH NO FURTHER DISCUSSION WITH THE CONTROLLER ABOUT OUR ALTITUDE. I BELIEVE THAT WE MAY HAVE BEEN 100 METERS LOW FOR ABOUT 5 NM DUE TO THE CONFUSION ABOUT THE CONTROLLER'S USAGE OF THE WORD STANDARD. I ALSO BELIEVE THAT WE WERE ALL A LITTLE FATIGUED DUE TO THE PREVIOUS DAY'S FLIGHT AND WERE ALSO GIVEN A DIFFERENT APPROACH AND RUNWAY AT THE AIRFIELD CLOSE TO THE DESCENT POINT; ALONG WITH THE ALTITUDE ASSIGNMENT. THIS CAUSED THE CREW TO FOCUS ON THE FMS CHANGES AND PULLING OUT DIFFERENT APPROACH PLATES WITHIN A SHORT DISTANCE FORM THE DESCENT POINT. THIS MAY HAVE DISTRACTED US ENOUGH TO MISUNDERSTAND THE CONTROLLER'S INSTRUCTIONS ON STANDARD/NONSTANDARD ALTIMETER SETTING FOR THE ASSIGNED ALTITUDE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.