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Attributes | |
ACN | 779724 |
Time | |
Date | 200803 |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : atl.airport |
State Reference | GA |
Altitude | msl single value : 12000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : a80.tracon |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Regional Jet 700 ER&LR |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | arrival star : honie |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 12000 flight time type : 1000 |
ASRS Report | 779724 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : cfi pilot : multi engine |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 85 flight time total : 3100 flight time type : 230 |
ASRS Report | 778970 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa other flight crewb |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued alert flight crew : returned to intended or assigned course |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance ATC Human Performance Aircraft |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Situations | |
ATC Facility | procedure or policy : a80.tracon |
Narrative:
On the honie 5 arrival into atl; ATC switched runways from runway 28 to runway 27L. Copilot entered the new runway into the FMS. I was flying and approaching fogog intersection. After changing runways in the FMS; we did not check the waypoints and we had a 'discontinuity' at fogog. The aircraft overflew it and did not turn us downwind. We noticed immediately and ATC queried us on the radio. I disconnected the autoplt and turned to rejoin the arrival. ATC did not seem to be concerned.supplemental information from acn 778970: the controller did say 'expect short approach;' but I loaded the first waypoint just in case we needed it for easy retrieval. We were given the instruction to expect '27L' at least 5-10 mi from fogog. I checked all the waypoints on the arrival to verify that they were correct and had not been dropped out after the execution of the new runway. The mfd also showed the appropriate courses for the arrival and the autoplt was in FMS mode to fly the arrival. When we were getting close to fogog I noticed that the autoplt was not using 'turn anticipation' to begin the turn early so we wouldn't fly through the next course since there was a turn at fogog. I pointed it out to the captain and he manually disconnected the autoplt and executed the turn himself. I can't remember his exact words; but the approach controller did query us by saying something similar to 'you are turning on the arrival there at fogog aren't you?' since I was the pm; I said 'yes sir; the autoplt seems a little slow about making the turn so we are helping it out.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ATL TRACON CHANGED A CRJ700 FROM RWY 28 TO 27L. AN FMS DISCONTINUITY CAUSED BY THE RAPID RTE CHANGE WAS NOT CAUGHT BY THE CREW RESULTING IN A TRACK DEV.
Narrative: ON THE HONIE 5 ARR INTO ATL; ATC SWITCHED RWYS FROM RWY 28 TO RWY 27L. COPLT ENTERED THE NEW RWY INTO THE FMS. I WAS FLYING AND APPROACHING FOGOG INTXN. AFTER CHANGING RWYS IN THE FMS; WE DID NOT CHK THE WAYPOINTS AND WE HAD A 'DISCONTINUITY' AT FOGOG. THE ACFT OVERFLEW IT AND DID NOT TURN US DOWNWIND. WE NOTICED IMMEDIATELY AND ATC QUERIED US ON THE RADIO. I DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT AND TURNED TO REJOIN THE ARR. ATC DID NOT SEEM TO BE CONCERNED.SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 778970: THE CTLR DID SAY 'EXPECT SHORT APCH;' BUT I LOADED THE FIRST WAYPOINT JUST IN CASE WE NEEDED IT FOR EASY RETRIEVAL. WE WERE GIVEN THE INSTRUCTION TO EXPECT '27L' AT LEAST 5-10 MI FROM FOGOG. I CHECKED ALL THE WAYPOINTS ON THE ARR TO VERIFY THAT THEY WERE CORRECT AND HAD NOT BEEN DROPPED OUT AFTER THE EXECUTION OF THE NEW RWY. THE MFD ALSO SHOWED THE APPROPRIATE COURSES FOR THE ARR AND THE AUTOPLT WAS IN FMS MODE TO FLY THE ARR. WHEN WE WERE GETTING CLOSE TO FOGOG I NOTICED THAT THE AUTOPLT WAS NOT USING 'TURN ANTICIPATION' TO BEGIN THE TURN EARLY SO WE WOULDN'T FLY THROUGH THE NEXT COURSE SINCE THERE WAS A TURN AT FOGOG. I POINTED IT OUT TO THE CAPT AND HE MANUALLY DISCONNECTED THE AUTOPLT AND EXECUTED THE TURN HIMSELF. I CAN'T REMEMBER HIS EXACT WORDS; BUT THE APCH CTLR DID QUERY US BY SAYING SOMETHING SIMILAR TO 'YOU ARE TURNING ON THE ARR THERE AT FOGOG AREN'T YOU?' SINCE I WAS THE PM; I SAID 'YES SIR; THE AUTOPLT SEEMS A LITTLE SLOW ABOUT MAKING THE TURN SO WE ARE HELPING IT OUT.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.