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C172 operating out of dpa voiced concern regarding controller phraseology; 'taxi up to; but hold short of the runway;' and using a 'rough tone.'
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 800458 |
| Time | |
| Date | 200808 |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : dpa.airport |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | agl single value : 0 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Skyhawk 172/Cutlass 172 |
| Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
| Flight Phase | ground : taxi |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 120 flight time total : 185 flight time type : 185 |
| ASRS Report | 800458 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Supplementary | |
| Problem Areas | ATC Human Performance |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Narrative:
At a busy class D airspace; the tower controller had their hands full. In my opinion; the controller used a 'rough tone' to create a potentially unsafe situation. The local controller was working intersecting runways. The controller commanded departing pilots to 'taxi up to; but hold short of the runway' multiple times. Every time; the pilot said that they were 'at the hold short lines.' however; the controller wanted them to 'taxi past the hold short line; but hold short of the runway.' a mutually exclusive event. The runway is situated such that there is a taxiway that leads onto the actual physical runway. However; the hold short lines are indeed on the 'bend of taxiway.' had the controller not 'shot the gap' correctly; a potentially fatal situation could have developed; all because the controller was telling pilots to 'taxi past the hold short lines; but hold short of the runway;' in my opinion; using a 'rough tone' to intimidate the pilots into complying.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: C172 OPERATING OUT OF DPA VOICED CONCERN REGARDING CTLR PHRASEOLOGY; 'TAXI UP TO; BUT HOLD SHORT OF THE RWY;' AND USING A 'ROUGH TONE.'
Narrative: AT A BUSY CLASS D AIRSPACE; THE TWR CTLR HAD THEIR HANDS FULL. IN MY OPINION; THE CTLR USED A 'ROUGH TONE' TO CREATE A POTENTIALLY UNSAFE SITUATION. THE LCL CTLR WAS WORKING INTERSECTING RWYS. THE CTLR COMMANDED DEPARTING PLTS TO 'TAXI UP TO; BUT HOLD SHORT OF THE RWY' MULTIPLE TIMES. EVERY TIME; THE PLT SAID THAT THEY WERE 'AT THE HOLD SHORT LINES.' HOWEVER; THE CTLR WANTED THEM TO 'TAXI PAST THE HOLD SHORT LINE; BUT HOLD SHORT OF THE RWY.' A MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE EVENT. THE RWY IS SITUATED SUCH THAT THERE IS A TXWY THAT LEADS ONTO THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL RWY. HOWEVER; THE HOLD SHORT LINES ARE INDEED ON THE 'BEND OF TXWY.' HAD THE CTLR NOT 'SHOT THE GAP' CORRECTLY; A POTENTIALLY FATAL SITUATION COULD HAVE DEVELOPED; ALL BECAUSE THE CTLR WAS TELLING PLTS TO 'TAXI PAST THE HOLD SHORT LINES; BUT HOLD SHORT OF THE RWY;' IN MY OPINION; USING A 'ROUGH TONE' TO INTIMIDATE THE PLTS INTO COMPLYING.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.