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Attributes | |
ACN | 810701 |
Time | |
Date | 200811 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zab.artcc |
State Reference | NM |
Altitude | msl single value : 35000 |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zab.artcc |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | A320 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Navigation In Use | other |
Flight Phase | cruise : level |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
ASRS Report | 810701 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : clearance other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Supplementary | |
Problem Areas | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Narrative:
Navigation error: on ground first officer inserted the route. Runway 25R SJN3.sjn abq J18 drawl J18 jot as filed. Then first officer inserted the winds off the flight plan for each point on the route. The captain checked the route with the pre departure clearance clearance: SJN3.sjn abq J18...af then checked the rest of the route with the clearance part of the release first officer fuel check at abq. After abq the next fix should have been fti. Fti was on the paper flight plan as being part of J18; but was not on flight plan page in the mcdu; abq J18 drawl. We bypassed fti north about 6 mi; when we should have been flying to fti on J18. Fti was not inserted with J18; or it dropped out; or we missed it; but both of us remember checking abq J18 to jot. Could use the flight plan portion with each point on the flight plan to check the route. Instead of using the clearance portion of the flight plan. One problem is the new flight plans do not list all the intxns on the route that are pulled from the database on a jet route. By using the flight plan portion of the release and the navigation data there can be considerable confusion with missing points along the route. The old flight planning system did have them all and the navigation data and flight plan portion always matched. Clearance portion had abq J18 drawl J18 jot. Why not have abq J18 jot. When putting in the flight plan portion in the mcdu most pilots insert the jet rtes and points off the clearance portion exactly as written. If we had inserted abq J18 jot; this may have strung the whole J18 correctly instead of inserting J18 twice with intermittent point drawl.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: AN A320 FLIGHT CREW DEVIATED FROM THEIR CLEARED ROUTE BECAUSE OF AN IMPROPER ROUTE LOAD AT THEIR DEPARTURE STATION.
Narrative: NAV ERROR: ON GND FO INSERTED THE RTE. RWY 25R SJN3.SJN ABQ J18 DRAWL J18 JOT AS FILED. THEN FO INSERTED THE WINDS OFF THE FLT PLAN FOR EACH POINT ON THE RTE. THE CAPT CHKED THE RTE WITH THE PDC CLRNC: SJN3.SJN ABQ J18...AF THEN CHKED THE REST OF THE RTE WITH THE CLRNC PART OF THE RELEASE FO FUEL CHK AT ABQ. AFTER ABQ THE NEXT FIX SHOULD HAVE BEEN FTI. FTI WAS ON THE PAPER FLT PLAN AS BEING PART OF J18; BUT WAS NOT ON FLT PLAN PAGE IN THE MCDU; ABQ J18 DRAWL. WE BYPASSED FTI N ABOUT 6 MI; WHEN WE SHOULD HAVE BEEN FLYING TO FTI ON J18. FTI WAS NOT INSERTED WITH J18; OR IT DROPPED OUT; OR WE MISSED IT; BUT BOTH OF US REMEMBER CHKING ABQ J18 TO JOT. COULD USE THE FLT PLAN PORTION WITH EACH POINT ON THE FLT PLAN TO CHK THE RTE. INSTEAD OF USING THE CLRNC PORTION OF THE FLT PLAN. ONE PROB IS THE NEW FLT PLANS DO NOT LIST ALL THE INTXNS ON THE RTE THAT ARE PULLED FROM THE DATABASE ON A JET RTE. BY USING THE FLT PLAN PORTION OF THE RELEASE AND THE NAV DATA THERE CAN BE CONSIDERABLE CONFUSION WITH MISSING POINTS ALONG THE RTE. THE OLD FLT PLANNING SYS DID HAVE THEM ALL AND THE NAV DATA AND FLT PLAN PORTION ALWAYS MATCHED. CLRNC PORTION HAD ABQ J18 DRAWL J18 JOT. WHY NOT HAVE ABQ J18 JOT. WHEN PUTTING IN THE FLT PLAN PORTION IN THE MCDU MOST PLTS INSERT THE JET RTES AND POINTS OFF THE CLRNC PORTION EXACTLY AS WRITTEN. IF WE HAD INSERTED ABQ J18 JOT; THIS MAY HAVE STRUNG THE WHOLE J18 CORRECTLY INSTEAD OF INSERTING J18 TWICE WITH INTERMITTENT POINT DRAWL.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of May 2009 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.