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Medium large transport air carrier instructed to hold northwest farmm intersection without specific turn instructions from ATC. PIC questions not depicting holding pattern of commercial low altitude charts.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 82756 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198802 |
| Day | Fri |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ord |
| State Reference | IL |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 9000 msl bound upper : 9000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | IMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tracon : ord |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent other other |
| Route In Use | arrival other |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 9500 flight time type : 4500 |
| ASRS Report | 82756 |
| Person 2 | |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | non adherence : clearance non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On descent into ord we were given a hold at farmm intersection. We were told, 'turn left to 90 degrees, hold northwest on the 314 degree right of ord at farmm intersection.' we were using 21 and 22 (lo) chart for navigation. No hold is shown at farmm on the 21 and 22 (lo) chart. We entered and held right turns which is a standard pattern. Center came on and said we were to hold left turns as shown. We said it was not shown on the (lo) chart. Someone on the frequency stated the hold was only shown on the chicago area 10-1 chart. It would be a good idea to also show the holding patterns on the (lo) charts.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG ACR INSTRUCTED TO HOLD NW FARMM INTERSECTION WITHOUT SPECIFIC TURN INSTRUCTIONS FROM ATC. PIC QUESTIONS NOT DEPICTING HOLDING PATTERN OF COMMERCIAL LOW ALT CHARTS.
Narrative: ON DSCNT INTO ORD WE WERE GIVEN A HOLD AT FARMM INTXN. WE WERE TOLD, 'TURN LEFT TO 90 DEGS, HOLD NW ON THE 314 DEG R OF ORD AT FARMM INTXN.' WE WERE USING 21 AND 22 (LO) CHART FOR NAV. NO HOLD IS SHOWN AT FARMM ON THE 21 AND 22 (LO) CHART. WE ENTERED AND HELD RIGHT TURNS WHICH IS A STANDARD PATTERN. CENTER CAME ON AND SAID WE WERE TO HOLD LEFT TURNS AS SHOWN. WE SAID IT WAS NOT SHOWN ON THE (LO) CHART. SOMEONE ON THE FREQ STATED THE HOLD WAS ONLY SHOWN ON THE CHICAGO AREA 10-1 CHART. IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA TO ALSO SHOW THE HOLDING PATTERNS ON THE (LO) CHARTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.