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Attributes | |
ACN | 837522 |
Time | |
Date | 200906 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | PHX.Airport |
State Reference | AZ |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | A321 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Takeoff |
Person 1 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types |
Narrative:
Our flight was cleared for takeoff 25R phx. I was the flying pilot. Before the captain called V-1; the aircraft behind us was also cleared for takeoff on 25R. I don't understand how ATC can do this. I realize that ATC is trying to handle/move as many aircraft as quickly as they can; but wouldn't waiting until we were at least off the ground before clearing another aircraft for takeoff on the same runway improve the margin of safety? I realize that 25R in kphx is 10;300' long; and; in reality by the time the following aircraft actually started his takeoff roll there was probably 1-2 miles horizontal distance between us and him; but that sure doesn't leave much of a margin for error; at least not in my mind. If for whatever reason we had needed to reject our takeoff; then; initially at least; there would have been another aircraft on takeoff roll right behind us.... On the same runway! (As a side note: it seems to be SOP in phx to advise if you have the departing aircraft ahead of you in sight; and if; when you do; get cleared for takeoff sooner than you would at most other major airports. I can't think of another major us airport that does that on a regular basis).
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: Air Carrier departure from PHX expressed concern regarding ATC's practice of clearing a subsequent departure for takeoff prior to the first being airborne; citing potential safety concerns.
Narrative: Our flight was cleared for takeoff 25R PHX. I was the flying pilot. Before the Captain called V-1; the aircraft behind us was also cleared for takeoff on 25R. I don't understand how ATC can do this. I realize that ATC is trying to handle/move as many aircraft as quickly as they can; but wouldn't waiting until we were at least off the ground before clearing another aircraft for takeoff on the same runway improve the margin of safety? I realize that 25R in KPHX is 10;300' long; and; in reality by the time the following aircraft actually started his takeoff roll there was probably 1-2 miles horizontal distance between us and him; but that sure doesn't leave much of a margin for error; at least not in my mind. If for whatever reason we had needed to reject our takeoff; then; initially at least; there would have been another aircraft on takeoff roll right behind us.... on the same runway! (As a side note: It seems to be SOP in PHX to advise if you have the departing aircraft ahead of you in sight; and if; when you do; get cleared for takeoff sooner than you would at most other major airports. I can't think of another major US airport that does that on a regular basis).
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.