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Attributes | |
ACN | 83853 |
Time | |
Date | 198803 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : isp |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Dawn |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | climbout : takeoff |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 245 |
ASRS Report | 83853 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 3700 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 83858 |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : published procedure other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were rushed in taxiing out of congested ramp and ground control cleared us to taxi to runway 33L for takeoff. It was a short taxi, and as we did the takeoff checklist at the hold short line, a small commuter type called ready for takeoff behind us. And, he inquired if it would be quicker if he took off on the other runway, runway 33R. I told the copilot to tell them we would be ready shortly and we were cleared for takeoff. The wind was 10 KTS down the runway, and the takeoff roll was normal and we both remarked how little runway remained at liftoff. After an uneventful climb out we discovered on the takeoff paperwork that we were approximately 5000 pounds too heavy for runway 33L. Runway 6 and 24 were 800' longer and were legal for our weight. Contributing factors: I was not familiar with the field. This was my first time operating there. We landed the day before on runway 33L. I was mentally prepared for short runways so in position for takeoff the runway looked as I suspected. Even the takeoff roll did not surprise me. I rushed myself with the short taxi and did not adequately check the takeoff data. The rushed atmosphere, the perception that all the runways were short and the ground controller sending us to runway 33L led me down the path that this was all normal. No flags were waving to trip my perception that this is routine just shorter, and to make me look twice at the takeoff data.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG TKOF 5000 POUNDS TOO HEAVY FOR THE RWY SELECTED.
Narrative: WE WERE RUSHED IN TAXIING OUT OF CONGESTED RAMP AND GND CTL CLRED US TO TAXI TO RWY 33L FOR TKOF. IT WAS A SHORT TAXI, AND AS WE DID THE TKOF CHKLIST AT THE HOLD SHORT LINE, A SMALL COMMUTER TYPE CALLED READY FOR TKOF BEHIND US. AND, HE INQUIRED IF IT WOULD BE QUICKER IF HE TOOK OFF ON THE OTHER RWY, RWY 33R. I TOLD THE COPLT TO TELL THEM WE WOULD BE READY SHORTLY AND WE WERE CLRED FOR TKOF. THE WIND WAS 10 KTS DOWN THE RWY, AND THE TKOF ROLL WAS NORMAL AND WE BOTH REMARKED HOW LITTLE RWY REMAINED AT LIFTOFF. AFTER AN UNEVENTFUL CLBOUT WE DISCOVERED ON THE TKOF PAPERWORK THAT WE WERE APPROX 5000 LBS TOO HEAVY FOR RWY 33L. RWY 6 AND 24 WERE 800' LONGER AND WERE LEGAL FOR OUR WT. CONTRIBUTING FACTORS: I WAS NOT FAMILIAR WITH THE FIELD. THIS WAS MY FIRST TIME OPERATING THERE. WE LANDED THE DAY BEFORE ON RWY 33L. I WAS MENTALLY PREPARED FOR SHORT RWYS SO IN POS FOR TKOF THE RWY LOOKED AS I SUSPECTED. EVEN THE TKOF ROLL DID NOT SURPRISE ME. I RUSHED MYSELF WITH THE SHORT TAXI AND DID NOT ADEQUATELY CHK THE TKOF DATA. THE RUSHED ATMOSPHERE, THE PERCEPTION THAT ALL THE RWYS WERE SHORT AND THE GND CTLR SENDING US TO RWY 33L LED ME DOWN THE PATH THAT THIS WAS ALL NORMAL. NO FLAGS WERE WAVING TO TRIP MY PERCEPTION THAT THIS IS ROUTINE JUST SHORTER, AND TO MAKE ME LOOK TWICE AT THE TKOF DATA.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.