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Attributes | |
ACN | 850040 |
Time | |
Date | 200908 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | FRG.Airport |
State Reference | NY |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft Low Wing 2 Eng Retractable Gear |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | None |
Flight Plan | None |
Person 1 | |
Function | Single Pilot |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) Flight Crew Flight Instructor |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 200 Flight Crew Total 14000 Flight Crew Type 4000 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Airspace Violation All Types Inflight Event / Encounter Other / Unknown |
Narrative:
I was on a descent from a VFR flight inbound to frg from the northwest. I circumnavigated the class B airspace to the north and descended from 7500 ft. I descended to below 3000 ft MSL before crossing under the class B airspace. I called frg tower at 15NM out and was given a left base entry to runway 1. When I was approximately 7 miles out the tower said that my target on radar had a letter 'left' next to it and was not sure what that was for. I am not sure if since I was just outside of the edge of the 'B' airspace that maybe TRACON thought that I was in it. I used an IFR approved waas GPS with a current database and was outside of the airspace at all times. Aside from not being sure as to why I was labeled on the D bright; I am writing this for another purpose as well. I have been flying in and out of long island for 30 years now. I have quite a bit of experience with TRACON and the ATC system. There is an issue that exists now that I have never seen before. For all of my years until recently; unless it was a very busy IFR night; it was always possible to talk to TRACON when crossing over ny's airspace and almost always a class 'B' clearance was given to descend through it. This is logical since once entering class 'B' airspace; TRACON has full control over the VFR traffic as well as all of the jfk; lga; and ewr inbound traffic. My last 14 attempts; over the past 6 months to obtain advisories and/or clearance were immediately answered with a response 'stay clear of class bravo airspace; unable advisories'. I no longer call to ask since it is no longer an option. I hear talk at the airport from many other pilots claiming the same issue. I am not sure what has changed; however I can assure all that a very unsafe condition exists when multiple VFR targets are flying east bound at 7500 ft out of ATC's control; and commercial inbound traffic to ny's airports would need to divert around these targets.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: General aviation pilot descending VFR for FRG was notified by FRG tower that the aircraft data block indicated a possible Class B entry; reporter alleging no violation occurred and indicated N90 has recently refused Class B services.
Narrative: I was on a descent from a VFR flight inbound to FRG from the northwest. I circumnavigated the Class B airspace to the north and descended from 7500 FT. I descended to below 3000 FT MSL before crossing under the Class B airspace. I called FRG tower at 15NM out and was given a left base entry to Runway 1. When I was approximately 7 miles out the tower said that my target on radar had a letter 'L' next to it and was not sure what that was for. I am not sure if since I was just outside of the edge of the 'B' airspace that maybe TRACON thought that I was in it. I used an IFR approved WAAS GPS with a current database and was outside of the airspace at all times. Aside from not being sure as to why I was labeled on the D bright; I am writing this for another purpose as well. I have been flying in and out of Long Island for 30 years now. I have quite a bit of experience with TRACON and the ATC system. There is an issue that exists now that I have never seen before. For all of my years until recently; unless it was a very busy IFR night; it was always possible to talk to TRACON when crossing over NY's airspace and almost always a Class 'B' clearance was given to descend through it. This is logical since once entering Class 'B' airspace; TRACON has full control over the VFR traffic as well as all of the JFK; LGA; and EWR inbound traffic. My last 14 attempts; over the past 6 months to obtain advisories and/or clearance were immediately answered with a response 'Stay clear of Class Bravo airspace; unable advisories'. I no longer call to ask since it is no longer an option. I hear talk at the airport from many other pilots claiming the same issue. I am not sure what has changed; however I can assure all that a very unsafe condition exists when multiple VFR targets are flying east bound at 7500 FT out of ATC's control; and commercial inbound traffic to NY's airports would need to divert around these targets.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.