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Attributes | |
ACN | 85111 |
Time | |
Date | 198804 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : dca |
State Reference | DC |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 8700 msl bound upper : 9000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : iad tracon : dca |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude descent other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
Flight Phase | cruise other |
Route In Use | enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 210 flight time total : 16000 flight time type : 5800 |
ASRS Report | 85111 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : undershoot conflict : airborne less severe non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 30000 vertical : 300 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | Inter Facility Coordination Failure Operational Deviation Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Departed dca and was cleared to climb and maintain 9000'. At approximately 8700' climbing, wash approach controller advised us to 'turn hard right and descend immediately to 8000'.' we ha to make what we thought was an evasive maneuver to prevent a collision, as we were IMC in the clouds. After landing at ewr, I called the controller on the telephone and was advised that he had another aircraft, air carrier Y, which had just departed dulles airport and was at 9000' instead of his assigned 10000'. The controller said he had no contact with air carrier Y, so he gave me the avoidance maneuver. It sounds as if air carrier Y was at the wrong altitude (9000' versus 10000') or ATC had assigned him a wrong altitude. One of my passenger complained to the news media of an abrupt maneuver. I don't feel it was that abrupt and all other passenger thanked us for advising them of what had taken place (over the passenger announcement system during flight, shortly after the evasive maneuver). Callback conversation with reporter revealed the following: from destination the reporter called back to dca TRACON and talked to supervisor. ATC said that normally those iad departures climb to 10000' and then are changed to dca frequency. Dca controller saw air carrier Y mode C level at 9000', so gave turn to reporter, air carrier X, when the aircraft were still about 8 mi apart. Controller then thought 3 mi latitude might be lost, so told X to make 'hard right turn' and descend to 8000'. Supervisor advised reporter that latitude sep did not get any less than 5 mi during avoidance maneuver. Controller anxiety in voice and fact that they were in IMC made the incident very frightening. Has heard no further word since call to supervisor.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: POTENTIAL CONFLICT BETWEEN 2 ACR ACFT IN IMC CONDITIONS. PLT DEVIATION OR OPERATIONAL DEVIATION.
Narrative: DEPARTED DCA AND WAS CLRED TO CLB AND MAINTAIN 9000'. AT APPROX 8700' CLBING, WASH APCH CTLR ADVISED US TO 'TURN HARD RIGHT AND DSND IMMEDIATELY TO 8000'.' WE HA TO MAKE WHAT WE THOUGHT WAS AN EVASIVE MANEUVER TO PREVENT A COLLISION, AS WE WERE IMC IN THE CLOUDS. AFTER LNDG AT EWR, I CALLED THE CTLR ON THE TELEPHONE AND WAS ADVISED THAT HE HAD ANOTHER ACFT, ACR Y, WHICH HAD JUST DEPARTED DULLES ARPT AND WAS AT 9000' INSTEAD OF HIS ASSIGNED 10000'. THE CTLR SAID HE HAD NO CONTACT WITH ACR Y, SO HE GAVE ME THE AVOIDANCE MANEUVER. IT SOUNDS AS IF ACR Y WAS AT THE WRONG ALT (9000' VERSUS 10000') OR ATC HAD ASSIGNED HIM A WRONG ALT. ONE OF MY PAX COMPLAINED TO THE NEWS MEDIA OF AN ABRUPT MANEUVER. I DON'T FEEL IT WAS THAT ABRUPT AND ALL OTHER PAX THANKED US FOR ADVISING THEM OF WHAT HAD TAKEN PLACE (OVER THE PAX ANNOUNCEMENT SYS DURING FLT, SHORTLY AFTER THE EVASIVE MANEUVER). CALLBACK CONVERSATION WITH RPTR REVEALED THE FOLLOWING: FROM DEST THE RPTR CALLED BACK TO DCA TRACON AND TALKED TO SUPVR. ATC SAID THAT NORMALLY THOSE IAD DEPS CLB TO 10000' AND THEN ARE CHANGED TO DCA FREQ. DCA CTLR SAW ACR Y MODE C LEVEL AT 9000', SO GAVE TURN TO RPTR, ACR X, WHEN THE ACFT WERE STILL ABOUT 8 MI APART. CTLR THEN THOUGHT 3 MI LAT MIGHT BE LOST, SO TOLD X TO MAKE 'HARD RIGHT TURN' AND DSND TO 8000'. SUPVR ADVISED RPTR THAT LAT SEP DID NOT GET ANY LESS THAN 5 MI DURING AVOIDANCE MANEUVER. CTLR ANXIETY IN VOICE AND FACT THAT THEY WERE IN IMC MADE THE INCIDENT VERY FRIGHTENING. HAS HEARD NO FURTHER WORD SINCE CALL TO SUPVR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.