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Atx light transport altitude deviation overshot during descent and a general complaint about FAA flight time limitations.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 85322 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198804 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : etx |
| State Reference | PA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 8000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | common carrier : air taxi |
| Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
| Flight Phase | cruise other descent other |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : v162 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
| ASRS Report | 85322 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air taxi |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 3500 |
| ASRS Report | 85323 |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
| Independent Detector | other controllera |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : returned to intended course or assigned course other |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
On 4/mon/88, our company reduced our rest to 8 hours. Our reporting time was SA15 after an off duty time of XB15 the night before. While en route from newark to harrisburg on V162, 20 DME southwest of etx, ny center asked for a good rate from our altitude of 10000-8000'. The captain was performing the descent checklists and talking to operations. The copilot leveled off at 7000', upon which center asked our altitude. We responded and he told us he had asked us to level at 8000'. We realized what we had done. We asked if he wanted us back at 8000' and were told yes. We had already busted our clearance. At 8000' we were turned over to har approach and promptly descended to 4000'. We feel that reduced rest with 14-16 hour duty days are not in the best interest of safety. We are required to perform duties the public doesn't expect out of a bus driver. We feel the FAA shouldn't allow such extensive time for duty. Supplemental information from acn 85323: when you get off duty, go home, fall asleep, you get at the most 5 hours of rest. Then you are put on airplane full of people entrusted to you for 16 hours or more. I think the FAA should re-evaluate these regulations.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ATX LTT ALT DEVIATION OVERSHOT DURING DESCENT AND A GENERAL COMPLAINT ABOUT FAA FLT TIME LIMITATIONS.
Narrative: ON 4/MON/88, OUR COMPANY REDUCED OUR REST TO 8 HRS. OUR RPTING TIME WAS SA15 AFTER AN OFF DUTY TIME OF XB15 THE NIGHT BEFORE. WHILE ENRTE FROM NEWARK TO HARRISBURG ON V162, 20 DME SW OF ETX, NY CENTER ASKED FOR A GOOD RATE FROM OUR ALT OF 10000-8000'. THE CAPT WAS PERFORMING THE DSCNT CHKLISTS AND TALKING TO OPS. THE COPLT LEVELED OFF AT 7000', UPON WHICH CENTER ASKED OUR ALT. WE RESPONDED AND HE TOLD US HE HAD ASKED US TO LEVEL AT 8000'. WE REALIZED WHAT WE HAD DONE. WE ASKED IF HE WANTED US BACK AT 8000' AND WERE TOLD YES. WE HAD ALREADY BUSTED OUR CLRNC. AT 8000' WE WERE TURNED OVER TO HAR APCH AND PROMPTLY DSNDED TO 4000'. WE FEEL THAT REDUCED REST WITH 14-16 HR DUTY DAYS ARE NOT IN THE BEST INTEREST OF SAFETY. WE ARE REQUIRED TO PERFORM DUTIES THE PUBLIC DOESN'T EXPECT OUT OF A BUS DRIVER. WE FEEL THE FAA SHOULDN'T ALLOW SUCH EXTENSIVE TIME FOR DUTY. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 85323: WHEN YOU GET OFF DUTY, GO HOME, FALL ASLEEP, YOU GET AT THE MOST 5 HRS OF REST. THEN YOU ARE PUT ON AIRPLANE FULL OF PEOPLE ENTRUSTED TO YOU FOR 16 HRS OR MORE. I THINK THE FAA SHOULD RE-EVALUATE THESE REGS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.