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Attributes | |
ACN | 87975 |
Time | |
Date | 198805 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : stl |
State Reference | MO |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 2200 msl bound upper : 6000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : stl |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | cruise other descent : approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : atp pilot : cfi pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 130 flight time total : 14049 flight time type : 2626 |
ASRS Report | 87975 |
Person 2 | |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation Operational Error |
Narrative:
On 330 degree heading at 6000' to intercept runway 30L localizer at stl, crossing the mississippi south of the arch, was advised of medium large transport traffic at 2:30-3 O'clock on a parallel approach to runway 30R. Believe his altitude was 5000'. Sighted and advised traffic in sight. Flight visibility hazy and about 3-5 mi. Ground contact, but airport not in sight. Cleared for runway 20L ILS to maintain 2200' or higher until established on localizer and to maintain 190 KTS to the OM. Visually sighted runway in descent and turned so as not to intercept localizer, but to remain parallel and south of the localizer/runway centerline. Knowing that approach problems exist at stl due to close proximity of runway 30L and 30R centerlines, I elected not to center localizer needle until confirming position of the medium large transport. As I leaned forward and to the right to check on the position of the medium large transport, the first officer was asking if I had the medium large transport as he was getting too close. Looking out his side window and front windshield, I observed the medium large transport as it was in an approximately 20-30 degree bank to the right correcting back to the 30R centerline. I estimate his position to be about 100' higher and not more than 500' horizontal. This incident could have been prevented if the intercepts to the parallel locs had been staggered, ie, not parallel wing tip to wing tip approachs. As any autoplt can even take you through the localizer centerline before correcting back on track, suppose both aircraft are on autoplt and both go through their respective localizer centerline--another close call. Also, WX and visibility in flight can differ greatly from that on the ground. A controller may predicate his actions by the reported ground visibility, for ex 10 mi, when flight visibility may be only 3-5 mi. Flight visibility--another important factor in parallel approachs. For an airport like stl, where parallel runways are close together, simultaneous approachs should only be made with staggered intercepts--not wing tip to wing tip. It's much easier and safer to maintain visual contact with your traffic and fly the approach if that traffic is ahead of you and not at 9 or 3 O'clock.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR-LGT AND MLG HAVE POTENTIAL CONFLICT WHILE FLYING PARALLEL ILS APCHS.
Narrative: ON 330 DEG HDG AT 6000' TO INTERCEPT RWY 30L LOC AT STL, XING THE MISSISSIPPI S OF THE ARCH, WAS ADVISED OF MLG TFC AT 2:30-3 O'CLOCK ON A PARALLEL APCH TO RWY 30R. BELIEVE HIS ALT WAS 5000'. SIGHTED AND ADVISED TFC IN SIGHT. FLT VIS HAZY AND ABOUT 3-5 MI. GND CONTACT, BUT ARPT NOT IN SIGHT. CLRED FOR RWY 20L ILS TO MAINTAIN 2200' OR HIGHER UNTIL ESTABLISHED ON LOC AND TO MAINTAIN 190 KTS TO THE OM. VISUALLY SIGHTED RWY IN DSCNT AND TURNED SO AS NOT TO INTERCEPT LOC, BUT TO REMAIN PARALLEL AND S OF THE LOC/RWY CENTERLINE. KNOWING THAT APCH PROBS EXIST AT STL DUE TO CLOSE PROX OF RWY 30L AND 30R CENTERLINES, I ELECTED NOT TO CENTER LOC NEEDLE UNTIL CONFIRMING POS OF THE MLG. AS I LEANED FORWARD AND TO THE RIGHT TO CHK ON THE POS OF THE MLG, THE F/O WAS ASKING IF I HAD THE MLG AS HE WAS GETTING TOO CLOSE. LOOKING OUT HIS SIDE WINDOW AND FRONT WINDSHIELD, I OBSERVED THE MLG AS IT WAS IN AN APPROX 20-30 DEG BANK TO THE RIGHT CORRECTING BACK TO THE 30R CENTERLINE. I ESTIMATE HIS POS TO BE ABOUT 100' HIGHER AND NOT MORE THAN 500' HORIZ. THIS INCIDENT COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED IF THE INTERCEPTS TO THE PARALLEL LOCS HAD BEEN STAGGERED, IE, NOT PARALLEL WING TIP TO WING TIP APCHS. AS ANY AUTOPLT CAN EVEN TAKE YOU THROUGH THE LOC CENTERLINE BEFORE CORRECTING BACK ON TRACK, SUPPOSE BOTH ACFT ARE ON AUTOPLT AND BOTH GO THROUGH THEIR RESPECTIVE LOC CENTERLINE--ANOTHER CLOSE CALL. ALSO, WX AND VIS IN FLT CAN DIFFER GREATLY FROM THAT ON THE GND. A CTLR MAY PREDICATE HIS ACTIONS BY THE RPTED GND VIS, FOR EX 10 MI, WHEN FLT VIS MAY BE ONLY 3-5 MI. FLT VIS--ANOTHER IMPORTANT FACTOR IN PARALLEL APCHS. FOR AN ARPT LIKE STL, WHERE PARALLEL RWYS ARE CLOSE TOGETHER, SIMULTANEOUS APCHS SHOULD ONLY BE MADE WITH STAGGERED INTERCEPTS--NOT WING TIP TO WING TIP. IT'S MUCH EASIER AND SAFER TO MAINTAIN VISUAL CONTACT WITH YOUR TFC AND FLY THE APCH IF THAT TFC IS AHEAD OF YOU AND NOT AT 9 OR 3 O'CLOCK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.