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Attributes | |
ACN | 88612 |
Time | |
Date | 198806 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : zhn |
State Reference | HI |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 13000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zhn tower : sbp |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time total : 6000 |
ASRS Report | 88612 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 105 flight time total : 5000 flight time type : 600 |
ASRS Report | 88491 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
We we on a normal IFR flight from hnl to koa at FL190. We were on center frequency and cleared direct to koa VOR. At approximately 55 DME the controller gave us a clearance which sounded like 'pilots discretion, descend and maintain 3000'.' the copilot read back 3000 and told the controller: 'we are leaving FL190 for three thousand.' as we passed through 12,700' the controller said: 'say altitude.' copilot gave: '12,700 for 3000'. Controller: 'expedite to 3000'.' 'I told you to maintain 13000'.' that was all that was said about it until we got back to hnl where we had a message to call the hnl center chief. I spoke to him on the phone and he said he would not follow up with paperwork for busting the altitude. I think he elected not to push it because the controller accepted an incorrect (if it was actually 13000' in the original descent clearance) readback.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG DESCENDED BELOW ASSIGNED ALT DUE CLRNC INTERPRETATION.
Narrative: WE WE ON A NORMAL IFR FLT FROM HNL TO KOA AT FL190. WE WERE ON CENTER FREQ AND CLRED DIRECT TO KOA VOR. AT APPROX 55 DME THE CTLR GAVE US A CLRNC WHICH SOUNDED LIKE 'PLTS DISCRETION, DESCEND AND MAINTAIN 3000'.' THE COPLT READ BACK 3000 AND TOLD THE CTLR: 'WE ARE LEAVING FL190 FOR THREE THOUSAND.' AS WE PASSED THROUGH 12,700' THE CTLR SAID: 'SAY ALT.' COPLT GAVE: '12,700 FOR 3000'. CTLR: 'EXPEDITE TO 3000'.' 'I TOLD YOU TO MAINTAIN 13000'.' THAT WAS ALL THAT WAS SAID ABOUT IT UNTIL WE GOT BACK TO HNL WHERE WE HAD A MESSAGE TO CALL THE HNL CENTER CHIEF. I SPOKE TO HIM ON THE PHONE AND HE SAID HE WOULD NOT FOLLOW UP WITH PAPERWORK FOR BUSTING THE ALT. I THINK HE ELECTED NOT TO PUSH IT BECAUSE THE CTLR ACCEPTED AN INCORRECT (IF IT WAS ACTUALLY 13000' IN THE ORIGINAL DESCENT CLRNC) READBACK.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.