Air carrier medium large transport PF used wrong profile descent chart and overshot altitude.

Attributes
ACN	91441
Time
Date	198807
Day	Mon
Local Time Of Day	1801 To 2400
Place
Locale Reference	airport : yyz
State Reference	ON
Altitude	msl bound lower : 8000 msl bound upper : 11000
Environment
Flight Conditions	IMC
Light	Dusk
Aircraft 1
Controlling Facilities	tracon : yyz
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	descent other
Route In Use	arrival : profile descent
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 8000 flight time type : 300
ASRS Report	91441
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : atp
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 1500
ASRS Report	91564
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : published procedure non adherence : clearance other anomaly
Independent Detector	other controllera other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	controller : issued new clearance
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

On a scheduled air carrier flight from erie, PA, to toronto, canada, we were switched to approach control. We had been cruising at 15000'. We were then cleared to 11000' and the captain put that in the MCP. He was using autoplt and autothrottles, but was not using the FMS for navigation. While in the descent to 11000' I told him I would be off the radio to use the other radio to call company. When I returned to ATC I saw that he had 8000' set in the MCP. I asked if we were cleared to 8000' and he said yes. Then, west/O a radio call being made, he switched the MCP altitude setting to 7000'. I discretely called approach and said that flight was passing 9500' for 7000 and approach said 'maintain 8000'.' they then came back and said 'you were only cleared to 11000'.' the captain picked up the microphone and said we were cleared for the profile descent. The captain later told me that while I was off the radio, we were cleared for the profile descent to runway 24 and that he was looking at the profile descent for runway 6. Thus, he put 8000' in instead of 11000'. I feel this could have been prevented if the canadians would stop giving both a STAR arrival and a profile descent clearance at the same time because they are on 2 different charts. Supplemental information from acn 91564: during arrival to yyz, I used, by mistake, the profile descent for runway 06 instead of runway 24. I was flying and accepted the clearance for the profile descent runway 24, but used the plate for runway 06. By the time the first officer was back in the loop, he contacted the second controller and reported out of 9000 for 7000'. The controller directed us to maintain 8000'. Approximately 15 seconds later the controller asked if we were told to maintain 11000'. We replied no, that we were cleared for a profile descent for runway 24, I am still believing that is the descent page that I am using. We were then given a heading of 090 degrees and 8000'. It was at this time that I realized that I was using the wrong profile descent.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: ACR MLG PF USED WRONG PROFILE DESCENT CHART AND OVERSHOT ALT.

Narrative: ON A SCHEDULED ACR FLT FROM ERIE, PA, TO TORONTO, CANADA, WE WERE SWITCHED TO APCH CTL. WE HAD BEEN CRUISING AT 15000'. WE WERE THEN CLRED TO 11000' AND THE CAPT PUT THAT IN THE MCP. HE WAS USING AUTOPLT AND AUTOTHROTTLES, BUT WAS NOT USING THE FMS FOR NAV. WHILE IN THE DSCNT TO 11000' I TOLD HIM I WOULD BE OFF THE RADIO TO USE THE OTHER RADIO TO CALL COMPANY. WHEN I RETURNED TO ATC I SAW THAT HE HAD 8000' SET IN THE MCP. I ASKED IF WE WERE CLRED TO 8000' AND HE SAID YES. THEN, W/O A RADIO CALL BEING MADE, HE SWITCHED THE MCP ALT SETTING TO 7000'. I DISCRETELY CALLED APCH AND SAID THAT FLT WAS PASSING 9500' FOR 7000 AND APCH SAID 'MAINTAIN 8000'.' THEY THEN CAME BACK AND SAID 'YOU WERE ONLY CLRED TO 11000'.' THE CAPT PICKED UP THE MIC AND SAID WE WERE CLRED FOR THE PROFILE DSCNT. THE CAPT LATER TOLD ME THAT WHILE I WAS OFF THE RADIO, WE WERE CLRED FOR THE PROFILE DSCNT TO RWY 24 AND THAT HE WAS LOOKING AT THE PROFILE DSCNT FOR RWY 6. THUS, HE PUT 8000' IN INSTEAD OF 11000'. I FEEL THIS COULD HAVE BEEN PREVENTED IF THE CANADIANS WOULD STOP GIVING BOTH A STAR ARR AND A PROFILE DSCNT CLRNC AT THE SAME TIME BECAUSE THEY ARE ON 2 DIFFERENT CHARTS. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 91564: DURING ARR TO YYZ, I USED, BY MISTAKE, THE PROFILE DSCNT FOR RWY 06 INSTEAD OF RWY 24. I WAS FLYING AND ACCEPTED THE CLRNC FOR THE PROFILE DSCNT RWY 24, BUT USED THE PLATE FOR RWY 06. BY THE TIME THE F/O WAS BACK IN THE LOOP, HE CONTACTED THE SECOND CTLR AND RPTED OUT OF 9000 FOR 7000'. THE CTLR DIRECTED US TO MAINTAIN 8000'. APPROX 15 SECS LATER THE CTLR ASKED IF WE WERE TOLD TO MAINTAIN 11000'. WE REPLIED NO, THAT WE WERE CLRED FOR A PROFILE DSCNT FOR RWY 24, I AM STILL BELIEVING THAT IS THE DSCNT PAGE THAT I AM USING. WE WERE THEN GIVEN A HDG OF 090 DEGS AND 8000'. IT WAS AT THIS TIME THAT I REALIZED THAT I WAS USING THE WRONG PROFILE DSCNT.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.