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Attributes | |
ACN | 91617 |
Time | |
Date | 198808 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : pns |
State Reference | FL |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | landing other |
Route In Use | approach : visual enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : commercial pilot : flight engineer |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 135 flight time total : 3696 flight time type : 290 |
ASRS Report | 91617 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 178 flight time total : 11000 |
ASRS Report | 91624 |
Events | |
Anomaly | other anomaly other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : unable |
Consequence | other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
August 1988 I was the first officer on flight from atl to pns. Latest ATIS reported a clear sky and haze. Runway 16 ILS approachs were in use. The captain briefed for an ILS 16 approach noting that runway 16 did not have a VASI. Upon receiving vectors to pns, the localizer and ADF for runway 16 were tuned and identified. Approach then informed us that the ATIS had changed, and briefed us on the only difference, which was the use of visual approachs to runway 16. The captain re-briefed me for a visual approach with ILS backup. We were cleared to 3000', but the visibility was worse than reported by the controller. The controller kept asking us if we had the field in sight and finally gave us a sharp vector to intercept the localizer and descend to 1700'. The new heading put us inside brent and made for a difficult intercept while trying to descend. Upon intercepting the localizer we reported the field in sight. At no time did we receive G/south information. Upon landing, the captain found it difficult to brake and the aircraft departed the end of the runway, stopping with the aircraft's tail over the end of the runway. There was no damage to the aircraft, and no one was injured. After securing the engines, we elected to have the passengers remain on the aircraft until transportation could be arranged. There was no over run. The mains were on hard dirt, the nosewheel was 1/3 buried in soft sand. We felt the controllers were pressing for a visual approach in marginal visibility. The ILS G/south information was never received. There was no VASI to help us determine G/south. The crowned sloped runway is unsatisfactory because it has no overruns and yet the pilot cannot see the end of the runway. There are no runway markers showing distance of runway remaining. A wind reading within one minute of our landing showed a 5 KT tailwind that had not been reported. Neither of us felt that the medium large transport brakes provided us with a maximum braking effort. Supplemental information from acn 91624. Landed in touchdown zone, 140 KTS. This should have been an ILS approach. Controllers should quit pushing visual approachs.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG RWY EXCURSION AT PNS. ACR FAILED TO STOP ON THE RWY.
Narrative: AUGUST 1988 I WAS THE F/O ON FLT FROM ATL TO PNS. LATEST ATIS RPTED A CLR SKY AND HAZE. RWY 16 ILS APCHS WERE IN USE. THE CAPT BRIEFED FOR AN ILS 16 APCH NOTING THAT RWY 16 DID NOT HAVE A VASI. UPON RECEIVING VECTORS TO PNS, THE LOC AND ADF FOR RWY 16 WERE TUNED AND IDENTIFIED. APCH THEN INFORMED US THAT THE ATIS HAD CHANGED, AND BRIEFED US ON THE ONLY DIFFERENCE, WHICH WAS THE USE OF VISUAL APCHS TO RWY 16. THE CAPT RE-BRIEFED ME FOR A VISUAL APCH WITH ILS BACKUP. WE WERE CLRED TO 3000', BUT THE VISIBILITY WAS WORSE THAN RPTED BY THE CTLR. THE CTLR KEPT ASKING US IF WE HAD THE FIELD IN SIGHT AND FINALLY GAVE US A SHARP VECTOR TO INTERCEPT THE LOC AND DSND TO 1700'. THE NEW HDG PUT US INSIDE BRENT AND MADE FOR A DIFFICULT INTERCEPT WHILE TRYING TO DSND. UPON INTERCEPTING THE LOC WE RPTED THE FIELD IN SIGHT. AT NO TIME DID WE RECEIVE G/S INFORMATION. UPON LNDG, THE CAPT FOUND IT DIFFICULT TO BRAKE AND THE ACFT DEPARTED THE END OF THE RWY, STOPPING WITH THE ACFT'S TAIL OVER THE END OF THE RWY. THERE WAS NO DAMAGE TO THE ACFT, AND NO ONE WAS INJURED. AFTER SECURING THE ENGS, WE ELECTED TO HAVE THE PAXS REMAIN ON THE ACFT UNTIL TRANSPORTATION COULD BE ARRANGED. THERE WAS NO OVER RUN. THE MAINS WERE ON HARD DIRT, THE NOSEWHEEL WAS 1/3 BURIED IN SOFT SAND. WE FELT THE CTLRS WERE PRESSING FOR A VISUAL APCH IN MARGINAL VISIBILITY. THE ILS G/S INFO WAS NEVER RECEIVED. THERE WAS NO VASI TO HELP US DETERMINE G/S. THE CROWNED SLOPED RWY IS UNSATISFACTORY BECAUSE IT HAS NO OVERRUNS AND YET THE PLT CANNOT SEE THE END OF THE RWY. THERE ARE NO RWY MARKERS SHOWING DISTANCE OF RWY REMAINING. A WIND READING WITHIN ONE MINUTE OF OUR LNDG SHOWED A 5 KT TAILWIND THAT HAD NOT BEEN RPTED. NEITHER OF US FELT THAT THE MLG BRAKES PROVIDED US WITH A MAX BRAKING EFFORT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 91624. LANDED IN TOUCHDOWN ZONE, 140 KTS. THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN AN ILS APCH. CTLRS SHOULD QUIT PUSHING VISUAL APCHS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.