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Attributes | |
ACN | 919774 |
Time | |
Date | 201011 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | TPA.Airport |
State Reference | FL |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Large Transport Low Wing 2 Turbojet Eng |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Initial Approach |
Route In Use | Visual Approach |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | First Officer Pilot Not Flying |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Person 2 | |
Function | Pilot Flying Captain |
Qualification | Flight Crew Air Transport Pilot (ATP) |
Events | |
Anomaly | Deviation - Altitude Excursion From Assigned Altitude Deviation - Procedural Clearance Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy Deviation - Track / Heading All Types |
Narrative:
Prior to the TOD into tpa we briefed the approach to 36L expecting a visual approach backed up by the ILS. Referring the [commercial] chart; we read that if vectored over macdill AFB; remain at 2600' over runway 04 before descent is started below that altitude. After that statement; it reads macdill AFB is 8 miles south of tpa. While on approach into tpa; we were given vectors to a left downwind approach for runway 36L. Once we called tpa in sight; we were cleared for the visual approach to runway 36L; with further instructions to remain north of macdill AFB. Recalling the statement from the chart page referring to the 8 miles; I then looked at the approach plate for 36L showing the outer marker (pincy) to be 5.6 DME and the previous approach fix to be at 8.2 DME. We both agreed that as long as we stay between the two fixes; we would meet the requirements. While on downwind; we noticed runway lights ahead that appeared to coincide with that of macdill. While in the base leg turn; approach instructed us to turn to the numbers. I replied that we were in fact in the turn at that time. Once rolled out onto base; we then could see that macdill AFB was actually in front of us. At that time approach again replied to turn toward the numbers. The captain then began to turn toward the approach end of the runway and had descended to about 2200' while abeam macdill. Once on the ground we were given a number to call. I discussed the train of thought with the controller as well as what led us to believe we were north of macdill. The reason leading to this confusion has to do with the 8 mile statement on the chart page; the light gray scale reference point of macdill AFB on the approach plate and misinterpretation with the instructions 'turn toward the numbers'. The 8 mile statement alone with cross reference of the approach plate fix distances lead us to believe we were well north of macdill. Looking at the approach plate; macdill did not stand out being in a small gray scale color. In addition; the controller's statement; 'turn toward the numbers;' was confused with; 'start your turn toward your approach final in order to prevent any further travel south.' with the false sense that we were north of macdill; the captain began his descent to intercept the GS putting us below the 2600' requirement while abeam macdill AFB. The captain and myself rarely fly into tpa which led to the uncertainty of the location of macdill AFB. I would suggest modifying the way the chart page reads in reference to distance from tpa to macdill. There needs to be a reference from the FAF or something that gives pilots a quick distinctive reference without the possibility of misinterpreting distance from macdill. Macdill's location on the approach plate could be enhanced. Simply knowing 'turn toward the numbers' means go direct to the approach numbers would have been helpful.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: An air carrier crew on a night visual to TPA Runway 36L; from a left downwind; misidentified the MacDill Air Force Base and turned toward Knight airport Runway 3 before realizing where they actually were. Chart and communications issues were involved.
Narrative: Prior to the TOD into TPA we briefed the approach to 36L expecting a visual approach backed up by the ILS. Referring the [commercial] chart; we read that if vectored over Macdill AFB; remain at 2600' over Runway 04 before descent is started below that altitude. After that statement; it reads Macdill AFB is 8 miles south of TPA. While on approach into TPA; we were given vectors to a left downwind approach for runway 36L. Once we called TPA in sight; we were cleared for the visual approach to Runway 36L; with further instructions to remain north of Macdill AFB. Recalling the statement from the chart page referring to the 8 miles; I then looked at the approach plate for 36L showing the outer marker (PINCY) to be 5.6 DME and the previous approach fix to be at 8.2 DME. We both agreed that as long as we stay between the two fixes; we would meet the requirements. While on downwind; we noticed runway lights ahead that appeared to coincide with that of Macdill. While in the base leg turn; Approach instructed us to turn to the numbers. I replied that we were in fact in the turn at that time. Once rolled out onto base; we then could see that Macdill AFB was actually in front of us. At that time Approach again replied to turn toward the numbers. The Captain then began to turn toward the approach end of the runway and had descended to about 2200' while abeam Macdill. Once on the ground we were given a number to call. I discussed the train of thought with the Controller as well as what led us to believe we were north of Macdill. The reason leading to this confusion has to do with the 8 mile statement on the chart page; the light gray scale reference point of Macdill AFB on the approach plate and misinterpretation with the instructions 'turn toward the numbers'. The 8 mile statement alone with cross reference of the approach plate fix distances lead us to believe we were well north of Macdill. Looking at the approach plate; Macdill did not stand out being in a small gray scale color. In addition; the Controller's statement; 'turn toward the numbers;' was confused with; 'start your turn toward your approach final in order to prevent any further travel south.' With the false sense that we were north of Macdill; the Captain began his descent to intercept the GS putting us below the 2600' requirement while abeam Macdill AFB. The Captain and myself rarely fly into TPA which led to the uncertainty of the location of Macdill AFB. I would suggest modifying the way the chart page reads in reference to distance from TPA to Macdill. There needs to be a reference from the FAF or something that gives pilots a quick distinctive reference without the possibility of misinterpreting distance from Macdill. Macdill's location on the approach plate could be enhanced. Simply knowing 'turn toward the numbers' means go direct to the approach numbers would have been helpful.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.