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Attributes | |
ACN | 92143 |
Time | |
Date | 198808 |
Day | Thu |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 3000 msl bound upper : 3000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Large Transport, Low Wing, 3 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Recip Eng |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 250 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 2500 |
ASRS Report | 92143 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : nmac non adherence : far |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 1500 vertical : 100 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Established on localizer and G/south of ILS runway 25L approach. At 3000' AGL and approximately 10 DME a light aircraft was sighted passing off our right wing approximately 100' below us going the opp direction. The aircraft was on a path which placed it between aircraft conducting parallel ILS approachs to lax. It passed within 1/2 mi of my aircraft. Its direction of flight was eastbound--opp the direction of the approachs in progress. Approach control was immediately notified by me. The aircraft appeared to be a light twin. Approach control had not advised us of the traffic. The traffic was sighted by the F/east initially. The aircraft was within the confines of the lax TCA, but was not in contact with the controling facility. This type of incident is all too common and the number of near misses is grossly under reported. The TCA should be extended to the surface to avoid confusion and penalties for violating it should be very severe.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: NMAC, TCA PENETRATION.
Narrative: ESTABLISHED ON LOC AND G/S OF ILS RWY 25L APCH. AT 3000' AGL AND APPROX 10 DME A LIGHT ACFT WAS SIGHTED PASSING OFF OUR RIGHT WING APPROX 100' BELOW US GOING THE OPP DIRECTION. THE ACFT WAS ON A PATH WHICH PLACED IT BTWN ACFT CONDUCTING PARALLEL ILS APCHS TO LAX. IT PASSED WITHIN 1/2 MI OF MY ACFT. ITS DIRECTION OF FLT WAS EBND--OPP THE DIRECTION OF THE APCHS IN PROGRESS. APCH CTL WAS IMMEDIATELY NOTIFIED BY ME. THE ACFT APPEARED TO BE A LIGHT TWIN. APCH CTL HAD NOT ADVISED US OF THE TFC. THE TFC WAS SIGHTED BY THE F/E INITIALLY. THE ACFT WAS WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE LAX TCA, BUT WAS NOT IN CONTACT WITH THE CTLING FAC. THIS TYPE OF INCIDENT IS ALL TOO COMMON AND THE NUMBER OF NEAR MISSES IS GROSSLY UNDER RPTED. THE TCA SHOULD BE EXTENDED TO THE SURFACE TO AVOID CONFUSION AND PENALTIES FOR VIOLATING IT SHOULD BE VERY SEVERE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.