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Attributes | |
ACN | 923820 |
Time | |
Date | 201012 |
Local Time Of Day | 0001-0600 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | PTK.Airport |
State Reference | MI |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Gulfstream IV / G350 / G450 |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Approach |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types |
Narrative:
Aircraft X was a GLF4 off ptk. The developmental initially assigned 5000; which we own. There was conflicting traffic opposite direction descending to 4000. The developmental affected an automated point out to the west jet controller; this enabled the developmental to run the aircraft out dunks. I observed an automated point out as I was using an adjacent scope. When the developmental climbed to 13000; I began to question if he/she pointed out to the 'south' controller or only to 'west'; the departure controller. When I asked; the developmental said he/she only pointed out to 'west'; and that he/she had 'prearranged coordination there'. I immediately told her to effect a point out to 'south'. They were a bit busy and slow to approve it. By the time they did; the aircraft was out of 5800. If utilizing an adjacent scope I would recommend the developmental provide a verbal confirmation of any automated point outs to the ojti. As in; 'I'm pointing aircraft X out to west.' this would avoid the confusion. Option B would be to force ojti's to utilize the same scope as the developmental. This is a poor option. Stars preferential settings are always an issue when forced to 'share' a scope.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: A D21 Controller described an airspace incursion after a developmental failed to provide the necessary point outs to adjacent sector/s. The reporter noted the difficulty of monitoring a controller from another operational position.
Narrative: Aircraft X was a GLF4 off PTK. The developmental initially assigned 5000; which we own. There was conflicting traffic opposite direction descending to 4000. The developmental affected an automated point out to the West Jet controller; this enabled the developmental to run the aircraft out DUNKS. I observed an automated point out as I was using an adjacent scope. When the developmental climbed to 13000; I began to question if he/she pointed out to the 'S' controller or only to 'W'; the Departure Controller. When I asked; the developmental said he/she only pointed out to 'W'; and that he/she had 'prearranged coordination there'. I immediately told her to effect a point out to 'S'. They were a bit busy and slow to approve it. By the time they did; the aircraft was out of 5800. If utilizing an adjacent scope I would recommend the developmental provide a verbal confirmation of any automated point outs to the OJTI. As in; 'I'm pointing Aircraft X out to W.' This would avoid the confusion. Option B would be to force OJTI's to utilize the same scope as the developmental. This is a poor option. Stars preferential settings are always an issue when forced to 'share' a scope.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.