N90 controllers voiced concern regarding the dalton SID; describing a potential conflict between an ...

Narrative:

While working the ewr 22 final; I observed an aircraft target flying underneath the ewr final. It appeared to be a dalton departure off of teb. I asked the departure controller if the aircraft was a dalton departure and was told that it was. I advised the departure controller that teb was below minimums for that procedure. The aircraft may also have been more than 4 miles south of teb. I am not sure of that fact. I believe the ceiling at the time was 2;200 MSL and the minimums for the procedure is 3;000 MSL. Recommendation; do away with the procedure! Not the answer you are looking for... The pilot should not have asked for the procedure with the weather conditions at the time. The teb controller should not have allowed the aircraft to depart teb on the dalton and the departure controller should not have released the aircraft. A complete failure of the system. The procedure is not even published with sids/stars etc. It is published in the airport facility directory. I do not think that the weather minimums are even stated on the commercial charts version of the procedure which is what most corporate pilots use.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: N90 Controllers voiced concern regarding the DALTON SID; describing a potential conflict between an TEB departure and an EWR arrival; the reporters recommending that the DALTON procedure be terminated.

Narrative: While working the EWR 22 final; I observed an aircraft target flying underneath the EWR final. It appeared to be a Dalton Departure off of TEB. I asked the Departure Controller if the aircraft was a Dalton Departure and was told that it was. I advised the Departure Controller that TEB was below minimums for that procedure. The aircraft may also have been more than 4 miles south of TEB. I am not sure of that fact. I believe the ceiling at the time was 2;200 MSL and the minimums for the procedure is 3;000 MSL. Recommendation; do away with the procedure! Not the answer you are looking for... The pilot should not have asked for the procedure with the weather conditions at the time. The TEB Controller should not have allowed the aircraft to depart TEB on the Dalton and the Departure Controller should not have released the aircraft. A complete failure of the system. The procedure is not even published with SIDS/STARS etc. It is published in the Airport Facility Directory. I do not think that the weather minimums are even stated on the Commercial Charts version of the procedure which is what most corporate pilots use.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

Attributes
ACN	938086
Time
Date	201103
Local Time Of Day	0001-0600
Place
Locale Reference	TEB.Airport
State Reference	NJ
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	Gulfstream III (G1159A)
Flight Phase	Initial Climb
Route In Use	SID DALTON 19
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Function	Approach
Qualification	Air Traffic Control Fully Certified
Person 2
Function	Departure
Qualification	Air Traffic Control Fully Certified
Events
Anomaly	Deviation - Procedural Published Material / Policy

N90 controllers voiced concern regarding the dalton SID; describing a potential conflict between an teb departure and an ewr arrival; the reporters recommending that the dalton procedure be terminated.