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Attributes | |
ACN | 94045 |
Time | |
Date | 198809 |
Day | Sun |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : hto |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 13000 msl bound upper : 13300 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | artcc : zny artcc : zjx |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Widebody, Low Wing, 4 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 6800 flight time type : 180 |
ASRS Report | 94045 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : excursion from assigned altitude inflight encounter : weather non adherence : required legal separation |
Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : detected after the fact |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Weather |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Holding for an instrument approach after a transatlantic flight, we were assigned 13000' at erick intersection. WX was poor with a cold front passing through the area, rain showers, thunder showers, LLWS forecast along with turbulence. While holding, we flew through a strong updraft (in a turn) which caused an altitude deviation of approximately 300', which we corrected immediately. Other altitude excursions were not as severe as this one. We notified ATC of this and the reason for it. Another flight in the area with digital color radar (apparently) reported a cell in the immediate area as 'pretty red,' ie, most severe. We requested holding in an area away from this, and ATC complied, but turbulence and up, down drafts continued. ATC informed us that we 'had a possible pilot deviation' and asked us to call ATC on the ground at about the time we hit the updraft. Our radar was functioning but wasn't showing the severe ceil that the other flight referred to (ours is non color). We did see the rain shower however. There was also a difference between the captain's and first officer's altimeters which contributed to this to a certain extent. In summary, I think this is typical of a convective situation as would be associated with the aforementioned WX, and ATC should avoid assigning flts with only 1000' of altitude sep during holding, where they are required to maneuver the airplane under these types of conditions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR WDB ALT DEVIATION EXCURSION FROM CLRNC ALT IN TSTM ACTIVITY.
Narrative: HOLDING FOR AN INSTRUMENT APCH AFTER A TRANSATLANTIC FLT, WE WERE ASSIGNED 13000' AT ERICK INTXN. WX WAS POOR WITH A COLD FRONT PASSING THROUGH THE AREA, RAIN SHOWERS, THUNDER SHOWERS, LLWS FORECAST ALONG WITH TURB. WHILE HOLDING, WE FLEW THROUGH A STRONG UPDRAFT (IN A TURN) WHICH CAUSED AN ALT DEVIATION OF APPROX 300', WHICH WE CORRECTED IMMEDIATELY. OTHER ALT EXCURSIONS WERE NOT AS SEVERE AS THIS ONE. WE NOTIFIED ATC OF THIS AND THE REASON FOR IT. ANOTHER FLT IN THE AREA WITH DIGITAL COLOR RADAR (APPARENTLY) RPTED A CELL IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA AS 'PRETTY RED,' IE, MOST SEVERE. WE REQUESTED HOLDING IN AN AREA AWAY FROM THIS, AND ATC COMPLIED, BUT TURB AND UP, DOWN DRAFTS CONTINUED. ATC INFORMED US THAT WE 'HAD A POSSIBLE PLTDEV' AND ASKED US TO CALL ATC ON THE GND AT ABOUT THE TIME WE HIT THE UPDRAFT. OUR RADAR WAS FUNCTIONING BUT WASN'T SHOWING THE SEVERE CEIL THAT THE OTHER FLT REFERRED TO (OURS IS NON COLOR). WE DID SEE THE RAIN SHOWER HOWEVER. THERE WAS ALSO A DIFFERENCE BTWN THE CAPT'S AND F/O'S ALTIMETERS WHICH CONTRIBUTED TO THIS TO A CERTAIN EXTENT. IN SUMMARY, I THINK THIS IS TYPICAL OF A CONVECTIVE SITUATION AS WOULD BE ASSOCIATED WITH THE AFOREMENTIONED WX, AND ATC SHOULD AVOID ASSIGNING FLTS WITH ONLY 1000' OF ALT SEP DURING HOLDING, WHERE THEY ARE REQUIRED TO MANEUVER THE AIRPLANE UNDER THESE TYPES OF CONDITIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.