IFR cessna with jax approach experienced a conflict with a flight of two antique military fighter ai...

Attributes
ACN	941962
Time
Date	201103
Local Time Of Day	1201-1800
Place
Locale Reference	JAX.TRACON
State Reference	FL
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Make Model Name	Cessna 210 Centurion / Turbo Centurion 210C 210D
Operating Under FAR Part	Part 135
Flight Phase	Descent
Route In Use	Vectors
Flight Plan	IFR
Aircraft 2
Make Model Name	Fighter
Person 1
Function	Pilot Flying Single Pilot
Qualification	Flight Crew Commercial Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Instrument Flight Crew Multiengine
Experience	Flight Crew Last 90 Days 300 Flight Crew Total 4600 Flight Crew Type 3500
Events
Anomaly	ATC Issue All Types Conflict Airborne Conflict
Miss Distance	Horizontal 3000 Vertical 100

Narrative:

ATC gave me a descent from 5;000 to 4;000 [and] during the descent at around 4;500 I looked out the right window to see two antique military aircraft in formation coming right at me; I pushed the nose down hard. The distance is a best guess; but I was close enough to be able to read the name painted on the front of one of them. After the near miss; I immediately queried jacksonville approach about the event; asking if they showed them on radar. The controller responded saying they had no targets on the scope around me not even a primary only. I do find it hard to believe that 2 planes in formation wouldn't show on radar. I had another problem a while back with dayton approach flying on v267 abeam ded; a cessna preformed a spin on the airway; I banked hard right and pulled away; the pilot of the cessna recovered at my altitude on a collision course. Had I not pulled away; we would have collided; I was on an IFR flight plan; I asked daytona if they had that plane on radar; the controller advised that he had primary only on him. It is my understanding that if I am IFR; and there is a primary only in front of me; ATC is supposed to advise.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: IFR Cessna with JAX Approach experienced a conflict with a flight of two antique military fighter aircraft; unreported by ATC; noting a similar conflict with unreported traffic during a previous flight with Daytona ATC.

Narrative: ATC gave me a descent from 5;000 to 4;000 [and] during the descent at around 4;500 I looked out the right window to see two antique military aircraft in formation coming right at me; I pushed the nose down hard. The distance is a best guess; but I was close enough to be able to read the name painted on the front of one of them. After the near miss; I immediately queried Jacksonville Approach about the event; asking if they showed them on RADAR. The Controller responded saying they had no targets on the scope around me not even a primary only. I do find it hard to believe that 2 planes in formation wouldn't show on RADAR. I had another problem a while back with Dayton Approach flying on v267 abeam DED; a Cessna preformed a spin on the airway; I banked hard right and pulled away; the pilot of the Cessna recovered at my altitude on a collision course. Had I not pulled away; we would have collided; I was on an IFR flight plan; I asked Daytona if they had that plane on RADAR; the Controller advised that he had primary only on him. It is my understanding that if I am IFR; and there is a primary only in front of me; ATC is supposed to advise.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.

IFR cessna with jax approach experienced a conflict with a flight of two antique military fighter aircraft; unreported by ATC; noting a similar conflict with unreported traffic during a previous flight with daytona ATC.