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Attributes | |
ACN | 94454 |
Time | |
Date | 198809 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : ord |
State Reference | IL |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | IMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : ord |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach |
Route In Use | approach : straight in enroute : on vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 220 flight time total : 20000 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 94454 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
I was cleared to intercept runway 14R localizer maintain 4000'. We were about 17-18 mi out. At 10 mi out I called approach control and asked to get cleared the approach. The controller alleged he had called 3 times and we had not answered. I said we had not heard any of his xmissions. To that he replied that is not my problem. Prior to this the controller had repeatedly told pilots to listen up. My opinion was this controller was no longer functioning in a normal manner. When I got on the ground I asked 3 pilots that were on approach if they had heard any xmissions for our flight that were not acknowledged. They all said they had not. My concern is not over the missed transmission or failure to give a timely clearance. My concern is with the answer: 'that's your problem, not mine.' not only does this violate the principle of 2-WAY communication, it is unsafe. As it turned out we were able to land straight in, but the tower had us immediately reduce to min speed to compensate for close spacing. I contacted the approach supervisor at ord and he volunteered to pull the tape and review the situation. I feel that should be sufficient action. However, you may desire this report to fill in your data base.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG COMPLAINT ABOUT APCH CTLR TECHNIQUE.
Narrative: I WAS CLRED TO INTERCEPT RWY 14R LOC MAINTAIN 4000'. WE WERE ABOUT 17-18 MI OUT. AT 10 MI OUT I CALLED APCH CTL AND ASKED TO GET CLRED THE APCH. THE CTLR ALLEGED HE HAD CALLED 3 TIMES AND WE HAD NOT ANSWERED. I SAID WE HAD NOT HEARD ANY OF HIS XMISSIONS. TO THAT HE REPLIED THAT IS NOT MY PROB. PRIOR TO THIS THE CTLR HAD REPEATEDLY TOLD PLTS TO LISTEN UP. MY OPINION WAS THIS CTLR WAS NO LONGER FUNCTIONING IN A NORMAL MANNER. WHEN I GOT ON THE GND I ASKED 3 PLTS THAT WERE ON APCH IF THEY HAD HEARD ANY XMISSIONS FOR OUR FLT THAT WERE NOT ACKNOWLEDGED. THEY ALL SAID THEY HAD NOT. MY CONCERN IS NOT OVER THE MISSED XMISSION OR FAILURE TO GIVE A TIMELY CLRNC. MY CONCERN IS WITH THE ANSWER: 'THAT'S YOUR PROB, NOT MINE.' NOT ONLY DOES THIS VIOLATE THE PRINCIPLE OF 2-WAY COM, IT IS UNSAFE. AS IT TURNED OUT WE WERE ABLE TO LAND STRAIGHT IN, BUT THE TWR HAD US IMMEDIATELY REDUCE TO MIN SPD TO COMPENSATE FOR CLOSE SPACING. I CONTACTED THE APCH SUPVR AT ORD AND HE VOLUNTEERED TO PULL THE TAPE AND REVIEW THE SITUATION. I FEEL THAT SHOULD BE SUFFICIENT ACTION. HOWEVER, YOU MAY DESIRE THIS RPT TO FILL IN YOUR DATA BASE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.