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Attributes | |
ACN | 95686 |
Time | |
Date | 198810 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : eca airport : sck |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 7000 msl bound upper : 7000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Night |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : sck |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Small Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turboprop Eng |
Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude cruise other other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 2900 flight time type : 1200 |
ASRS Report | 95686 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain instruction : trainee |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | non adherence : far non adherence : clearance other anomaly other other spatial deviation |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance other |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Operational Deviation Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
Upon contacting departure we were given vectors to holding on the 215 degree radial 20 DME fix. Five mi legs, right turns. We were very busy at the time the hold was issued. The instructions were read back, then we discussed the hold. The way the hold was issued he seemed to want us between 20-25 mi but after we passed the fix he (the controller) stated we should be between 15-20 and we almost went into the next controller's (bay) airspace. We were then issued vectors to sfo. I think the controller's instructions could have been clearer. Both myself and the new captain agreed that we correctly interpreted the instructions.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMT HELD IN THE WRONG DIRECTION AT A FIX AND ALMOST ENTERED ANOTHER FACILITY'S AIRSPACE.
Narrative: UPON CONTACTING DEP WE WERE GIVEN VECTORS TO HOLDING ON THE 215 DEG RADIAL 20 DME FIX. FIVE MI LEGS, RIGHT TURNS. WE WERE VERY BUSY AT THE TIME THE HOLD WAS ISSUED. THE INSTRUCTIONS WERE READ BACK, THEN WE DISCUSSED THE HOLD. THE WAY THE HOLD WAS ISSUED HE SEEMED TO WANT US BTWN 20-25 MI BUT AFTER WE PASSED THE FIX HE (THE CTLR) STATED WE SHOULD BE BTWN 15-20 AND WE ALMOST WENT INTO THE NEXT CTLR'S (BAY) AIRSPACE. WE WERE THEN ISSUED VECTORS TO SFO. I THINK THE CTLR'S INSTRUCTIONS COULD HAVE BEEN CLEARER. BOTH MYSELF AND THE NEW CAPT AGREED THAT WE CORRECTLY INTERPRETED THE INSTRUCTIONS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.