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Attributes | |
ACN | 962167 |
Time | |
Date | 201107 |
Local Time Of Day | 0601-1200 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | HNL.Airport |
State Reference | HI |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | Small Aircraft High Wing 1 Eng Fixed Gear |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | VFR Route |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | PA-28 Cherokee/Archer/Dakota/Pillan/Warrior |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 91 |
Flight Phase | Climb |
Route In Use | VFR Route |
Flight Plan | VFR |
Person 1 | |
Function | Pilot Not Flying Instructor |
Qualification | Flight Crew Flight Instructor Flight Crew Commercial Flight Crew Instrument |
Experience | Flight Crew Last 90 Days 250 Flight Crew Total 2300 Flight Crew Type 1600 |
Events | |
Anomaly | Conflict NMAC |
Miss Distance | Horizontal 200 Vertical 300 |
Narrative:
Our aircraft was coming in on FREEWAY2 [VFR] arrival into hnl. We crossed punchbowl and made contact with hnl tower. We were maintaining 2;000 ft until advised by tower. Situational awareness -- a low wing aircraft was taking off on the REDHILL3 departure. We were cleared to land runway 4L and advised by tower that the departing aircraft is on the REDHILL3 [VFR] maintaining visual separation. We started our descent in the left crosswind to downwind. My student looked out to the left and saw the departing aircraft was within 150-200 horizontal climbing and approximately 300 ft vertical. I took flight controls; decreased throttle; rapidly descending from approximately 1;800 ft to 1;000 ft. We proceeded with landing. I advised tower that the departing aircraft looked pretty close to us. They did say; 'aircraft had visual; maintaining separation.' I think the pilot in the departing aircraft lost contact with us. Also; I think he had switched to hcf departure so he was talking to another agency while we were on with hnl tower. It was very close; closer than I've ever experienced with hcf radar services. I spoke with tower and asked if they could give me the separation between us and the other aircraft per the tapes. They said they would review it for me. I think had they kept us at 2;000 ft until the other aircraft cleared us; it would've been safer. Putting responsibility on the other aircraft; that close to each other; and the traffic pattern was a bit close. I would've gladly made the simple 360 degree for spacing.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: An instructor pilot on the HNL FREEWAY2 VFR Arrival reported a near miss with an aircraft departing on the REDHILL3 VFR which ATC reported had his aircraft in sight.
Narrative: Our aircraft was coming in on FREEWAY2 [VFR] Arrival into HNL. We crossed Punchbowl and made contact with HNL Tower. We were maintaining 2;000 FT until advised by Tower. Situational awareness -- a low wing aircraft was taking off on the REDHILL3 Departure. We were cleared to land Runway 4L and advised by Tower that the departing aircraft is on the REDHILL3 [VFR] maintaining visual separation. We started our descent in the left crosswind to downwind. My student looked out to the left and saw the departing aircraft was within 150-200 horizontal climbing and approximately 300 FT vertical. I took flight controls; decreased throttle; rapidly descending from approximately 1;800 FT to 1;000 FT. We proceeded with landing. I advised Tower that the departing aircraft looked pretty close to us. They did say; 'aircraft had visual; maintaining separation.' I think the pilot in the departing aircraft lost contact with us. Also; I think he had switched to HCF Departure so he was talking to another agency while we were on with HNL Tower. It was very close; closer than I've ever experienced with HCF radar services. I spoke with Tower and asked if they could give me the separation between us and the other aircraft per the tapes. They said they would review it for me. I think had they kept us at 2;000 FT until the other aircraft cleared us; it would've been safer. Putting responsibility on the other aircraft; that close to each other; and the traffic pattern was a bit close. I would've gladly made the simple 360 degree for spacing.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of April 2012 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.