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Air carrier flight crew surprised by third, unreported fgt turning final. Evasive s-turns were required.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 96304 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198810 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : sdf |
| State Reference | KY |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 1900 msl bound upper : 2100 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : sdf |
| Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
| Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
| Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
| Route In Use | approach : visual |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Operator | other |
| Make Model Name | Fighter |
| Flight Phase | landing other |
| Flight Plan | VFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
| Qualification | pilot : atp |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 18000 |
| ASRS Report | 96304 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | company : air carrier |
| Function | flight crew : first officer |
| Qualification | pilot : commercial pilot : instrument |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | flight crew : took evasive action |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 500 vertical : 200 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | ATC Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
VFR approach to runway 1--ILS back up. Reported field in sight. Tower advised we were #2 behind a flight of fgt's. We asked how many in the formation and tower answered 3. We were on right base and reported seeing 2 fgt's together on left base. Tower came back and responded his mistake--that only 2 were out. As we turned on final behind the 2 ships we saw #3 turning on just in front and below us. He was slower. We managed large s-turns and landed uneventfully. If we had not seen #3 we would have made a nice formation with him. Suggest tower know how many aircraft are in the formation flts. Camouflaged fgt's are hard to see.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR FLT CREW SURPRISED BY THIRD, UNREPORTED FGT TURNING FINAL. EVASIVE S-TURNS WERE REQUIRED.
Narrative: VFR APCH TO RWY 1--ILS BACK UP. RPTED FIELD IN SIGHT. TWR ADVISED WE WERE #2 BEHIND A FLT OF FGT'S. WE ASKED HOW MANY IN THE FORMATION AND TWR ANSWERED 3. WE WERE ON RIGHT BASE AND RPTED SEEING 2 FGT'S TOGETHER ON LEFT BASE. TWR CAME BACK AND RESPONDED HIS MISTAKE--THAT ONLY 2 WERE OUT. AS WE TURNED ON FINAL BEHIND THE 2 SHIPS WE SAW #3 TURNING ON JUST IN FRONT AND BELOW US. HE WAS SLOWER. WE MANAGED LARGE S-TURNS AND LANDED UNEVENTFULLY. IF WE HAD NOT SEEN #3 WE WOULD HAVE MADE A NICE FORMATION WITH HIM. SUGGEST TWR KNOW HOW MANY ACFT ARE IN THE FORMATION FLTS. CAMOUFLAGED FGT'S ARE HARD TO SEE.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.