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Attributes | |
ACN | 97904 |
Time | |
Date | 198811 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : etg |
State Reference | NY |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 20000 msl bound upper : 22000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent other |
Route In Use | enroute airway : j217 |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : cfi |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 3000 flight time type : 340 |
ASRS Report | 97904 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 240 flight time total : 15000 flight time type : 7000 |
ASRS Report | 97450 |
Events | |
Anomaly | altitude deviation : overshoot non adherence : clearance other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | controller : issued new clearance |
Consequence | faa : reviewed incident with flight crew |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
ZNY gave us an altitude restriction to cross 20 east of etg. I thought the altitude given was FL200. We were level at FL280 and I was flying the airplane. The cape answered the radio call and wrote on his scratch pad. I set 20000' in the altitude alerter. The captain was engrossed in reading a magazine and didn't look up from his reading to confirm the altitude I had set. I started my descent using 1500 FPM to lose the 8000' by 20 mi east of etg. After leveling at FL200, ZNY called and asked what altitude we were at. The captain looked up to see the altitude. He then answered center with '200 as assigned.' center responded with, 'the altitude was 220.' the captain answered with, 'ok, out of 200 for 220.' center then told us to stay at FL200 since we were already there. The captain looked at what he had written on his scratch pad. It said '20e22.' he told me he knew the altitude given was FL220 because they always give 20 east of etg at FL220. I am fairly new at airline flying and not familiar with what they, 'always give in a clearance.' this incident was a case in which the copilot misread a clearance and the captain was not paying attention to the cockpit activities. I feel that a lack of crew coordination caused the incident to occur. I am surprised that ZNY didn't notice our altitude deviation until we were leveled off 2000' from the assigned altitude. Supplemental information from acn 97450: my first officer was flying the aircraft and I took for granted he received the correct clearance. By the time I realized, he descended to FL200. At that time we were questioned by ATC.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ACR MLG OVERSHOT ALT ON DESCENT.
Narrative: ZNY GAVE US AN ALT RESTRICTION TO CROSS 20 E OF ETG. I THOUGHT THE ALT GIVEN WAS FL200. WE WERE LEVEL AT FL280 AND I WAS FLYING THE AIRPLANE. THE CAPE ANSWERED THE RADIO CALL AND WROTE ON HIS SCRATCH PAD. I SET 20000' IN THE ALT ALERTER. THE CAPT WAS ENGROSSED IN READING A MAGAZINE AND DIDN'T LOOK UP FROM HIS READING TO CONFIRM THE ALT I HAD SET. I STARTED MY DSCNT USING 1500 FPM TO LOSE THE 8000' BY 20 MI E OF ETG. AFTER LEVELING AT FL200, ZNY CALLED AND ASKED WHAT ALT WE WERE AT. THE CAPT LOOKED UP TO SEE THE ALT. HE THEN ANSWERED CENTER WITH '200 AS ASSIGNED.' CENTER RESPONDED WITH, 'THE ALT WAS 220.' THE CAPT ANSWERED WITH, 'OK, OUT OF 200 FOR 220.' CENTER THEN TOLD US TO STAY AT FL200 SINCE WE WERE ALREADY THERE. THE CAPT LOOKED AT WHAT HE HAD WRITTEN ON HIS SCRATCH PAD. IT SAID '20E22.' HE TOLD ME HE KNEW THE ALT GIVEN WAS FL220 BECAUSE THEY ALWAYS GIVE 20 E OF ETG AT FL220. I AM FAIRLY NEW AT AIRLINE FLYING AND NOT FAMILIAR WITH WHAT THEY, 'ALWAYS GIVE IN A CLRNC.' THIS INCIDENT WAS A CASE IN WHICH THE COPLT MISREAD A CLRNC AND THE CAPT WAS NOT PAYING ATTN TO THE COCKPIT ACTIVITIES. I FEEL THAT A LACK OF CREW COORD CAUSED THE INCIDENT TO OCCUR. I AM SURPRISED THAT ZNY DIDN'T NOTICE OUR ALT DEVIATION UNTIL WE WERE LEVELED OFF 2000' FROM THE ASSIGNED ALT. SUPPLEMENTAL INFO FROM ACN 97450: MY F/O WAS FLYING THE ACFT AND I TOOK FOR GRANTED HE RECEIVED THE CORRECT CLRNC. BY THE TIME I REALIZED, HE DSNDED TO FL200. AT THAT TIME WE WERE QUESTIONED BY ATC.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.