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Attributes | |
ACN | 1014457 |
Time | |
Date | 201206 |
Local Time Of Day | 1801-2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | ZTL.ARTCC |
State Reference | GA |
Aircraft 1 | |
Make Model Name | B757-200 |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | STAR HONIE |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Make Model Name | B737 Undifferentiated or Other Model |
Operating Under FAR Part | Part 121 |
Flight Phase | Descent |
Route In Use | Vectors |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Qualification | Air Traffic Control Fully Certified |
Events | |
Anomaly | ATC Issue All Types Deviation - Altitude Overshoot Deviation - Procedural Clearance |
Narrative:
I was on D9. R9 was working about 6 inbounds to atl on the honie arrival with minimal in trail requirement. The first aircraft in line; air carrier X descended early; and that plus his loss of the higher altitude tailwind caused the second aircraft in line to begin to overtake. The r-side slowed the second aircraft (air carrier Y) to 250 KTS and turned them 15 [degrees left] to counteract the overtake. This then caused the third aircraft (air carrier Z) to begin to overtake by a 130 KTS difference. Air carrier Z was told 'begin your speed reduction' referring to the 250 KTS assignment at honie. Air carrier Z's speed did not change much and when he began to get close to air carrier Y; R9 issued 'air carrier Z just maintain one six thousand.' his mode C showed 16;800 ft at that time and he did not respond. R9 again said; 'air carrier Z; just maintain one six thousand.' he responded; 'unable.' I said to R9; 'unable? What does that mean?' R9 transmitted; 'air carrier Z; unable?' he responded; 'unable; we are through 15;600 ft;' and he continued descending; intending to cross honie at 14;000 ft. R9 issued; 'air carrier Z stop your descent and turn 20 degrees right.' about that time the aircraft lost separation. 'Begin your speed reduction' is an ambiguous clearance; should use 'reduce to 250 KTS.'
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: ZTL Controller described a loss of in trail separation with ATL arrival aircraft; claiming the phraseology used by the RADAR Controller was a bit ambiguous.
Narrative: I was on D9. R9 was working about 6 inbounds to ATL on the HONIE arrival with minimal in trail requirement. The first aircraft in line; Air Carrier X descended early; and that plus his loss of the higher altitude tailwind caused the second aircraft in line to begin to overtake. The R-Side slowed the second aircraft (Air Carrier Y) to 250 KTS and turned them 15 [degrees left] to counteract the overtake. This then caused the third aircraft (Air Carrier Z) to begin to overtake by a 130 KTS difference. Air Carrier Z was told 'begin your speed reduction' referring to the 250 KTS assignment at HONIE. Air Carrier Z's speed did not change much and when he began to get close to Air Carrier Y; R9 issued 'Air Carrier Z just maintain one six thousand.' His Mode C showed 16;800 FT at that time and he did not respond. R9 again said; 'Air Carrier Z; just maintain one six thousand.' He responded; 'Unable.' I said to R9; 'Unable? What does that mean?' R9 transmitted; 'Air Carrier Z; unable?' He responded; 'Unable; we are through 15;600 FT;' and he continued descending; intending to cross HONIE at 14;000 FT. R9 issued; 'Air Carrier Z stop your descent and turn 20 degrees right.' About that time the aircraft lost separation. 'Begin your speed reduction' is an ambiguous clearance; should use 'reduce to 250 KTS.'
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of July 2013 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.