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Attributes | |
ACN | 109131 |
Time | |
Date | 198904 |
Day | Mon |
Local Time Of Day | 1201 To 1800 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | airport : cle |
State Reference | OH |
Altitude | agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | Mixed |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Operator | general aviation : corporate |
Make Model Name | Light Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | ground : holding ground other : taxi |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Aircraft 2 | |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Flight Phase | descent : approach landing other |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | Other |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp pilot : instrument |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 80 flight time total : 3900 flight time type : 1500 |
ASRS Report | 109131 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | government : faa |
Function | controller : ground |
Qualification | controller : non radar |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : ground critical incursion : runway non adherence : clearance |
Independent Detector | other controllera |
Resolutory Action | other |
Consequence | Other |
Miss Distance | horizontal : 100 vertical : 50 |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
Air Traffic Incident | Pilot Deviation |
Narrative:
We were taxiing to runway for takeoff (runway 25L at cle). At the end of the runway there is another runway that also starts there and crosses at an angle. I don't remember the other runway's #. We were instructed to hold short of runway 25L. Because of this we crossed the first hold line (the one before the intersecting runway) and were expecting another hold line just before runway 25L. Just as we got on to the intersecting runway, the controller repeated, 'hold short, hold short.' we immediately stopped the aircraft on the intersecting runway, looked up and saw an airliner go right by us for a landing on runway 25L. The controller was very alert to our confusion ('good job,' to him). We need better and more visible hold lines in the USA., especially around areas where there are multiple runways and txwys intersecting. How about big signs like the canadians have in toronto to add to the visibility of a hold line for a runway, or as in this case, one hold line for 2 runways?
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: CPT LTT UNAUTH TAXI RWY ENTRY.
Narrative: WE WERE TAXIING TO RWY FOR TKOF (RWY 25L AT CLE). AT THE END OF THE RWY THERE IS ANOTHER RWY THAT ALSO STARTS THERE AND CROSSES AT AN ANGLE. I DON'T REMEMBER THE OTHER RWY'S #. WE WERE INSTRUCTED TO HOLD SHORT OF RWY 25L. BECAUSE OF THIS WE CROSSED THE FIRST HOLD LINE (THE ONE BEFORE THE INTERSECTING RWY) AND WERE EXPECTING ANOTHER HOLD LINE JUST BEFORE RWY 25L. JUST AS WE GOT ON TO THE INTERSECTING RWY, THE CTLR REPEATED, 'HOLD SHORT, HOLD SHORT.' WE IMMEDIATELY STOPPED THE ACFT ON THE INTERSECTING RWY, LOOKED UP AND SAW AN AIRLINER GO RIGHT BY US FOR A LNDG ON RWY 25L. THE CTLR WAS VERY ALERT TO OUR CONFUSION ('GOOD JOB,' TO HIM). WE NEED BETTER AND MORE VISIBLE HOLD LINES IN THE U.S.A., ESPECIALLY AROUND AREAS WHERE THERE ARE MULTIPLE RWYS AND TXWYS INTERSECTING. HOW ABOUT BIG SIGNS LIKE THE CANADIANS HAVE IN TORONTO TO ADD TO THE VISIBILITY OF A HOLD LINE FOR A RWY, OR AS IN THIS CASE, ONE HOLD LINE FOR 2 RWYS?
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.