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Small aircraft pilot bounces through cloud tops at 5000' after VFR climb to 7000' is refused by ATC. Aircraft on IFR flight plan.
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 114821 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198906 |
| Day | Sat |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | atc facility : ocn |
| State Reference | CA |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 5000 msl bound upper : 7000 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | Mixed |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Controlling Facilities | tower : hgr |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
| Flight Phase | cruise other |
| Route In Use | enroute airway : v23 |
| Flight Plan | IFR |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | flight crew : single pilot |
| Qualification | pilot : instrument pilot : private |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 10 flight time total : 390 flight time type : 100 |
| ASRS Report | 114821 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | government : faa |
| Function | controller : approach |
| Qualification | controller : radar |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | other anomaly other |
| Independent Detector | other controllera other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
In and out of the cloud tops at 5000' MSL I requested VFR climb to 7000'. The controller did not understand and asked me to repeat request. I did! He then asked if I wished to 'cancel IFR'. I then realized he did not understand that we could 'climb VFR' and still be on an IFR flight plan. Needless to say, we spent the next 25 uncomfortable minutes bouncing around in an area with no TCA above us and only an arsa below. We were allowed 7000' MSL at ocn VOR.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: SMA PLT BOUNCES THROUGH CLOUD TOPS AT 5000' AFTER VFR CLIMB TO 7000' IS REFUSED BY ATC. ACFT ON IFR FLT PLAN.
Narrative: IN AND OUT OF THE CLOUD TOPS AT 5000' MSL I REQUESTED VFR CLIMB TO 7000'. THE CTLR DID NOT UNDERSTAND AND ASKED ME TO REPEAT REQUEST. I DID! HE THEN ASKED IF I WISHED TO 'CANCEL IFR'. I THEN REALIZED HE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THAT WE COULD 'CLIMB VFR' AND STILL BE ON AN IFR FLT PLAN. NEEDLESS TO SAY, WE SPENT THE NEXT 25 UNCOMFORTABLE MINUTES BOUNCING AROUND IN AN AREA WITH NO TCA ABOVE US AND ONLY AN ARSA BELOW. WE WERE ALLOWED 7000' MSL AT OCN VOR.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.