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Attributes | |
ACN | 116377 |
Time | |
Date | 198907 |
Day | Fri |
Local Time Of Day | 1801 To 2400 |
Place | |
Locale Reference | atc facility : lax |
State Reference | CA |
Altitude | msl bound lower : 4000 msl bound upper : 4000 |
Environment | |
Flight Conditions | VMC |
Light | Daylight |
Aircraft 1 | |
Controlling Facilities | tracon : lax tower : ric |
Operator | common carrier : air carrier |
Make Model Name | Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng |
Navigation In Use | Other |
Flight Phase | descent : approach descent other |
Route In Use | approach : visual |
Flight Plan | IFR |
Person 1 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : captain oversight : pic |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Experience | flight time last 90 days : 200 flight time total : 18500 |
ASRS Report | 116377 |
Person 2 | |
Affiliation | company : air carrier |
Function | flight crew : first officer |
Qualification | pilot : atp |
Events | |
Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other anomaly other |
Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
Consequence | Other |
Supplementary | |
Primary Problem | Ambiguous |
Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
While on approach to lax from a downwind heading we were given traffic (an medium large transport) at our 2 O'clock position. We reported traffic in sight and were issued a visual approach to 25R. After rolling out on final the medium large transport was lost on the haze and the runway (looking into the sun at this point). We referenced the ILS which was set for 25L and maintained a course on the right side. Runway came into view. Also, another aircraft came into view about 3/4 mi ahead at our altitude going the same direction. I asked tower what the aircraft was doing and was informed he was on an approach to 25L. We turned a little right and shortly after he turned a little left, and normal apches were completed by both aircraft. It seems to me something should be done to ascertain visibility into the sun under hazy conditions. Also being appraised of the other aircraft would have alerted us to look for it, although it wasn't a near miss situation it was a surprise we could do without.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: MLG ON VISUAL APCH NOT TOLD OF TRAFFIC ON PARALLEL RWY APCH.
Narrative: WHILE ON APCH TO LAX FROM A DOWNWIND HDG WE WERE GIVEN TFC (AN MLG) AT OUR 2 O'CLOCK POSITION. WE REPORTED TFC IN SIGHT AND WERE ISSUED A VISUAL APCH TO 25R. AFTER ROLLING OUT ON FINAL THE MLG WAS LOST ON THE HAZE AND THE RWY (LOOKING INTO THE SUN AT THIS POINT). WE REFERENCED THE ILS WHICH WAS SET FOR 25L AND MAINTAINED A COURSE ON THE RIGHT SIDE. RWY CAME INTO VIEW. ALSO, ANOTHER ACFT CAME INTO VIEW ABOUT 3/4 MI AHEAD AT OUR ALT GOING THE SAME DIRECTION. I ASKED TWR WHAT THE ACFT WAS DOING AND WAS INFORMED HE WAS ON AN APCH TO 25L. WE TURNED A LITTLE RIGHT AND SHORTLY AFTER HE TURNED A LITTLE LEFT, AND NORMAL APCHES WERE COMPLETED BY BOTH ACFT. IT SEEMS TO ME SOMETHING SHOULD BE DONE TO ASCERTAIN VISIBILITY INTO THE SUN UNDER HAZY CONDITIONS. ALSO BEING APPRAISED OF THE OTHER ACFT WOULD HAVE ALERTED US TO LOOK FOR IT, ALTHOUGH IT WASN'T A NEAR MISS SITUATION IT WAS A SURPRISE WE COULD DO WITHOUT.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.