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Private pilot reports conflict with another general aviation aircraft while maneuvering to enter the traffic pattern at a non tower airport (P10)
| Attributes | |
| ACN | 120254 |
| Time | |
| Date | 198908 |
| Day | Tue |
| Local Time Of Day | 0601 To 1200 |
| Place | |
| Locale Reference | airport : p10 |
| State Reference | AZ |
| Altitude | msl bound lower : 3400 msl bound upper : 3400 |
| Environment | |
| Flight Conditions | VMC |
| Light | Daylight |
| Aircraft 1 | |
| Operator | general aviation : personal |
| Make Model Name | Small Aircraft, High Wing, 1 Eng, Fixed Gear |
| Flight Phase | cruise other cruise other descent other |
| Flight Plan | None |
| Aircraft 2 | |
| Make Model Name | Any Unknown or Unlisted Aircraft Manufacturer |
| Flight Phase | climbout : intermediate altitude climbout : takeoff |
| Person 1 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | oversight : pic |
| Experience | flight time last 90 days : 50 flight time total : 1050 flight time type : 200 |
| ASRS Report | 120254 |
| Person 2 | |
| Affiliation | Other |
| Function | oversight : pic |
| Events | |
| Anomaly | conflict : airborne less severe other spatial deviation |
| Independent Detector | other flight crewa |
| Resolutory Action | none taken : anomaly accepted |
| Consequence | Other |
| Miss Distance | horizontal : 2000 vertical : 500 |
| Supplementary | |
| Primary Problem | Flight Crew Human Performance |
| Air Traffic Incident | other |
Narrative:
Although this situation involved a conflict that did not require evasive action, it points out one of the problems at uncontrolled airports. We were west of the uncontrolled airport transitioning to the south to make a standard 45 degree entry to downwind. Our position and intentions were announced on unicom. Another aircraft made a straight out departure rather than a standard downwind departure. This straight out departure caused the conflict, and points out that the many nonstandard flight activities that frequently must go on at uncontrolled airports. I feel there is a need to do things in a standard way at uncontrolled airports especially, because of the diversity of traffic, such as no radio aircraft. Self-preservation requires that an extra measure of see and be seen be used near uncontrolled airports.
Original NASA ASRS Text
Title: PRIVATE PLT REPORTS CONFLICT WITH ANOTHER GENERAL AVIATION ACFT WHILE MANEUVERING TO ENTER THE TRAFFIC PATTERN AT A NON TWR ARPT (P10)
Narrative: ALTHOUGH THIS SITUATION INVOLVED A CONFLICT THAT DID NOT REQUIRE EVASIVE ACTION, IT POINTS OUT ONE OF THE PROBLEMS AT UNCONTROLLED ARPTS. WE WERE WEST OF THE UNCONTROLLED ARPT TRANSITIONING TO THE SOUTH TO MAKE A STANDARD 45 DEG ENTRY TO DOWNWIND. OUR POSITION AND INTENTIONS WERE ANNOUNCED ON UNICOM. ANOTHER ACFT MADE A STRAIGHT OUT DEP RATHER THAN A STANDARD DOWNWIND DEP. THIS STRAIGHT OUT DEP CAUSED THE CONFLICT, AND POINTS OUT THAT THE MANY NONSTANDARD FLT ACTIVITIES THAT FREQUENTLY MUST GO ON AT UNCONTROLLED ARPTS. I FEEL THERE IS A NEED TO DO THINGS IN A STANDARD WAY AT UNCONTROLLED ARPTS ESPECIALLY, BECAUSE OF THE DIVERSITY OF TFC, SUCH AS NO RADIO ACFT. SELF-PRESERVATION REQUIRES THAT AN EXTRA MEASURE OF SEE AND BE SEEN BE USED NEAR UNCONTROLLED ARPTS.
Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.