Overweight takeoff.

Attributes
ACN	120623
Time
Date	198908
Day	Thu
Local Time Of Day	1201 To 1800
Place
Locale Reference	atc facility : pvd
State Reference	RI
Altitude	agl bound lower : 0 agl bound upper : 0
Environment
Flight Conditions	VMC
Light	Daylight
Aircraft 1
Operator	common carrier : air carrier
Make Model Name	Medium Large Transport, Low Wing, 2 Turbojet Eng
Flight Phase	climbout : takeoff
Flight Plan	IFR
Person 1
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : captain oversight : pic
Qualification	pilot : commercial pilot : atp pilot : cfi
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 150 flight time total : 14500 flight time type : 150
ASRS Report	120623
Person 2
Affiliation	company : air carrier
Function	flight crew : first officer
Qualification	pilot : atp pilot : commercial
Experience	flight time last 90 days : 180 flight time total : 5500 flight time type : 800
ASRS Report	120624
Events
Anomaly	non adherence : far other anomaly other
Independent Detector	other flight crewa
Resolutory Action	none taken : detected after the fact
Consequence	Other
Supplementary
Primary Problem	Flight Crew Human Performance
Air Traffic Incident	Pilot Deviation

Narrative:

Flew a pvd turnaround and I landed on 34, length 6000'. New procedure in one airline is using 40 degree flap lndgs for the medium large transport fleet versus 10 yrs of 50 degree flap lndgs. Both first officer and I questioned landing weight with 40 degree flap. No problem at approximately 92000 pounds. 30 mins later we taxied to 34 for takeoff (weight at 96000 pounds). It was the first officer's leg and he made the takeoff. At V1, runway remaining looked pretty short. After takeoff we both checked the weight limit for conditions. We were (I was) 4500# too heavy. There is no reasonable excuse for this complacency, yet a nagging through tells me if we hadn't been checking out the landing weights with the 'new' lower flap setting, the takeoff weights would (might, should and will) have been/be checked.

Original NASA ASRS Text

Title: OVERWEIGHT TKOF.

Narrative: FLEW A PVD TURNAROUND AND I LANDED ON 34, LENGTH 6000'. NEW PROC IN ONE AIRLINE IS USING 40 DEG FLAP LNDGS FOR THE MLG FLEET VERSUS 10 YRS OF 50 DEG FLAP LNDGS. BOTH F/O AND I QUESTIONED LNDG WT WITH 40 DEG FLAP. NO PROB AT APPROX 92000 LBS. 30 MINS LATER WE TAXIED TO 34 FOR TKOF (WT AT 96000 LBS). IT WAS THE F/O'S LEG AND HE MADE THE TKOF. AT V1, RWY REMAINING LOOKED PRETTY SHORT. AFTER TKOF WE BOTH CHKED THE WT LIMIT FOR CONDITIONS. WE WERE (I WAS) 4500# TOO HVY. THERE IS NO REASONABLE EXCUSE FOR THIS COMPLACENCY, YET A NAGGING THROUGH TELLS ME IF WE HADN'T BEEN CHKING OUT THE LNDG WTS WITH THE 'NEW' LOWER FLAP SETTING, THE TKOF WTS WOULD (MIGHT, SHOULD AND WILL) HAVE BEEN/BE CHKED.

Data retrieved from NASA's ASRS site as of August 2007 and automatically converted to unabbreviated mixed upper/lowercase text. This report is for informational purposes with no guarantee of accuracy. See NASA's ASRS site for official report.