Narrative:

I had been working D33 for a little while. They were training on the r-side position. We were a little busy but it really was not that complicated if the r-side made some good decisions early. The trainer was having to tell the trainee what to do a lot. The trainer made some bad decisions in my opinion. Aircraft X route was cabab kenno bty and he was an airbus A319 (aircraft X). Joshua approach had the airspace in use up to FL410 just 4 miles south of this route. We are required to stay at least 3 miles outside of their boundary. Everyone knows that this type of aircraft start their turns very early. Aircraft X started his turn 2 minutes before kenno. 30 seconds later I pulled up his route line on the radar monitor to show he was turning into joshua's airspace. I pointed at him and told the trainee that he was turning early and that we could not go into joshua's airspace. She said he was not turning. She did nothing. The trainer never said or did anything. I called joshua and said I know that they are not accepting point outs but I tried to give them one on aircraft X. Their response was 'traffic observed'; which is not point out approved. The falcon replay showed aircraft X passing .9 miles from joshua's airspace. I believe it was more like 2 miles.#1 the FAA should require airbus to make safe planes that can turn like all the other planes in the world without the tail falling off.#2 the FAA should force airbus to change their computer system to only begin turns no more than 3 miles prior to any fix; not the 15 miles that they do now. Hundreds of fixes across the country are at positions where normal aircraft will stay out of military airspace if they fly over the fix. These fixes do not work for airbus aircraft.#3 the trainee in question needs to be reevaluated to determine if she understands the issue with airbus aircraft; if she can tell when an aircraft is off his route and if she knows what to do to ensure safety when in control of a sector. She can be extremely sensitive to input and is handled with caution; so only a few people are allowed to train her. This is very bad for the quality of her training and does not allow a true evaluation of her abilities. Management needs to fix her attitude toward constructive criticism and stop putting such a strain on most of us.#4 the trainer in question needs to be terminated as a trainer. His lack of professionalism has been going on for many years. He was not allowed to give training for probably over 5 years. They only had him start giving training again about 2 years ago due to need in their eyes.

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Title: ZOA Controller reports of an airspace violation by a particular type of aircraft that is known for starting to turn early. Aircraft violates airspace and Controller working aircraft does nothing but watch.

Narrative: I had been working D33 for a little while. They were training on the R-side position. We were a little busy but it really was not that complicated if the R-side made some good decisions early. The trainer was having to tell the trainee what to do a lot. The trainer made some bad decisions in my opinion. Aircraft X route was CABAB KENNO BTY and he was an Airbus A319 (aircraft X). Joshua Approach had the airspace in use up to FL410 just 4 miles south of this route. We are required to stay at least 3 miles outside of their boundary. Everyone knows that this type of aircraft start their turns very early. Aircraft X started his turn 2 minutes before KENNO. 30 seconds later I pulled up his route line on the radar monitor to show he was turning into Joshua's airspace. I pointed at him and told the trainee that he was turning early and that we could not go into Joshua's airspace. She said he was not turning. She did nothing. The trainer never said or did anything. I called Joshua and said I know that they are not accepting point outs but I tried to give them one on Aircraft X. Their response was 'traffic observed'; which is not point out approved. The FALCON replay showed Aircraft X passing .9 miles from Joshua's airspace. I believe it was more like 2 miles.#1 The FAA should require Airbus to make safe planes that can turn like all the other planes in the world without the tail falling off.#2 The FAA should force Airbus to change their computer system to only begin turns no more than 3 miles prior to any fix; not the 15 miles that they do now. Hundreds of fixes across the country are at positions where normal aircraft will stay out of military airspace if they fly over the fix. These fixes do not work for Airbus aircraft.#3 The trainee in question needs to be reevaluated to determine if she understands the issue with Airbus aircraft; if she can tell when an aircraft is off his route and if she knows what to do to ensure safety when in control of a sector. She can be extremely sensitive to input and is handled with caution; so only a few people are allowed to train her. This is very bad for the quality of her training and does not allow a true evaluation of her abilities. Management needs to fix her attitude toward constructive criticism and stop putting such a strain on most of us.#4 The trainer in question needs to be terminated as a trainer. His lack of professionalism has been going on for many years. He was not allowed to give training for probably over 5 years. They only had him start giving training again about 2 years ago due to need in their eyes.

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